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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7890693" data-attributes="member: 6920677"><p>Henry V D&D style: “If these players do not metagame well, ‘tis a black mark on the DM that lead them”</p><p></p><p>Except DMs are not sovereigns, and players have a large, to equal, to larger role in determining the “gameplay specifics” of a game.</p><p></p><p>Again, social decorum trumps game rules.</p><p></p><p>If a loved one planed a surprise party for you, and you found out about it, would you feign surprise? If your grandma made cookies that were too salty for your taste, but kept offering more to you....do you just eat it or tell ‘Nana off?</p><p></p><p>The troll example does not resonate with me. Firstly, I have only been asked to *role*play ignorance of troll’s vulnerability when players new to the hobby are involved. Which strikes me as fair, I doubt a grandmaster ranked chess player plays to the full extent of their ability or knowledge when playing against a child just learning the game.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, metagame knowledge is not universal. Last night, as a player, I played with a group that is new to the hobby. Essential kit adventure was used, and I was unfamiliar with it.</p><p>We go to a windmill, a monster description is read....which clearly describes a manticore ( but does not name it).</p><p></p><p>I admit to making an involuntary exclamation, “Damn a Manticore!”, cause I’m 1st level, just made my character 10 minutes ago, and this is my first time as a player in a decade.</p><p></p><p>While I wanted to advocate retreat, spill the beans on the monster stats and keep the fighter between my character and tail spikes, my role as the <em>experienced</em> player, meant I did none of that, my wishes in this circumstance are less important than allowing new players to experience their first battle organically.</p><p></p><p>If a DM, your friend presumably, is asking a group of experienced players to *role*play ignorance while *roll*playing against trolls, that would indicate to me either:</p><p></p><p>1) This is due to a plot point.</p><p>2) The referee wants a less jaded game</p><p></p><p>Sometimes the correct answer, the socially responsible answer is to eat grandma’s salty cookies despite the inconvenience of not torching the troll on round one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 7890693, member: 6920677"] Henry V D&D style: “If these players do not metagame well, ‘tis a black mark on the DM that lead them” Except DMs are not sovereigns, and players have a large, to equal, to larger role in determining the “gameplay specifics” of a game. Again, social decorum trumps game rules. If a loved one planed a surprise party for you, and you found out about it, would you feign surprise? If your grandma made cookies that were too salty for your taste, but kept offering more to you....do you just eat it or tell ‘Nana off? The troll example does not resonate with me. Firstly, I have only been asked to *role*play ignorance of troll’s vulnerability when players new to the hobby are involved. Which strikes me as fair, I doubt a grandmaster ranked chess player plays to the full extent of their ability or knowledge when playing against a child just learning the game. Secondly, metagame knowledge is not universal. Last night, as a player, I played with a group that is new to the hobby. Essential kit adventure was used, and I was unfamiliar with it. We go to a windmill, a monster description is read....which clearly describes a manticore ( but does not name it). I admit to making an involuntary exclamation, “Damn a Manticore!”, cause I’m 1st level, just made my character 10 minutes ago, and this is my first time as a player in a decade. While I wanted to advocate retreat, spill the beans on the monster stats and keep the fighter between my character and tail spikes, my role as the [I]experienced[/I] player, meant I did none of that, my wishes in this circumstance are less important than allowing new players to experience their first battle organically. If a DM, your friend presumably, is asking a group of experienced players to *role*play ignorance while *roll*playing against trolls, that would indicate to me either: 1) This is due to a plot point. 2) The referee wants a less jaded game Sometimes the correct answer, the socially responsible answer is to eat grandma’s salty cookies despite the inconvenience of not torching the troll on round one. [/QUOTE]
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