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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3304939" data-attributes="member: 29746"><p>Granted. No doubt she is, in fact, still Lawful Good, though rapidly slipping. I as DM in this situation would agree with that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here is clearly where you and I part company. I just don't see how anybody could think that killing Shojo was <strong>not</strong> an Evil act- he was a defenseless old man sitting in a chair, and she'd already admitted he didn't Detect as Evil. Regardless of what he'd recently been doing, killing him was Evil. Even if this is Miko's first genuinely Evil act- which I granted you above- she loses her Paladin powers for this, instantly and inarguably.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hinjo never refused to take the throne, anywhere in the strip. He did not refuse to make decisions- in fact, his decision was fairly plain. "We have to deal with the big invasion right now- put Shojo aside and we'll deal with it when we <strong>don't</strong> have the Army of Ultimate Darkness breathing down our necks." Either Shojo was still ruler of the city, in which case she betrayed and murdered him, or Hinjo was the ruler- in which case she disobeyed a direct order from him and thus was not respecting his authority. Miko is not and never was, even as head of the Sapphire Guard, in a position to assume legitimate control of the city. She therefore broke this tenet wide open.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Granted- she didn't break this tenet according to the RAW- though as I said, I would personally as DM call this up and call her dishonorable. But that's me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>This one she's actually fairly consistently been keeping up with, the closest she's come to breaking it is likely when she went to track Belkar down alone.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Granted- but this doesn't excuse the fact that she clearly committed an Evil act, while also in the process of breaking tenet #3. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Irrelevant. Belkar isn't even part of the discussion of whether killing Shojo broke the Paladin's Code. Belkar had no involvement other than standing on the sidelines enjoying the show.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Granted. Miko cutting off association with Shojo's government, even helping to bring it down (likely in conjunction with Hinjo, who at least seemed poised to do just that) is what a Paladin should do in this situation. Miko backing the old man up to his throne, roughly shoving him down into it, and then cutting both him and the throne nearly in half... is clearly not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 3304939, member: 29746"] Granted. No doubt she is, in fact, still Lawful Good, though rapidly slipping. I as DM in this situation would agree with that. Here is clearly where you and I part company. I just don't see how anybody could think that killing Shojo was [b]not[/b] an Evil act- he was a defenseless old man sitting in a chair, and she'd already admitted he didn't Detect as Evil. Regardless of what he'd recently been doing, killing him was Evil. Even if this is Miko's first genuinely Evil act- which I granted you above- she loses her Paladin powers for this, instantly and inarguably. Hinjo never refused to take the throne, anywhere in the strip. He did not refuse to make decisions- in fact, his decision was fairly plain. "We have to deal with the big invasion right now- put Shojo aside and we'll deal with it when we [b]don't[/b] have the Army of Ultimate Darkness breathing down our necks." Either Shojo was still ruler of the city, in which case she betrayed and murdered him, or Hinjo was the ruler- in which case she disobeyed a direct order from him and thus was not respecting his authority. Miko is not and never was, even as head of the Sapphire Guard, in a position to assume legitimate control of the city. She therefore broke this tenet wide open. Granted- she didn't break this tenet according to the RAW- though as I said, I would personally as DM call this up and call her dishonorable. But that's me. :) This one she's actually fairly consistently been keeping up with, the closest she's come to breaking it is likely when she went to track Belkar down alone. Granted- but this doesn't excuse the fact that she clearly committed an Evil act, while also in the process of breaking tenet #3. :) Irrelevant. Belkar isn't even part of the discussion of whether killing Shojo broke the Paladin's Code. Belkar had no involvement other than standing on the sidelines enjoying the show. Granted. Miko cutting off association with Shojo's government, even helping to bring it down (likely in conjunction with Hinjo, who at least seemed poised to do just that) is what a Paladin should do in this situation. Miko backing the old man up to his throne, roughly shoving him down into it, and then cutting both him and the throne nearly in half... is clearly not. [/QUOTE]
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