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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3309144" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>They don't have the right to render judgement - the legal system in place requires that summoned Celestial beings of Law do so. Whether their assessment of the judgement was correct or not is irrelevant; it was not their place to make that assessment in the first place. The situation is exactly analogous to a judge hand-picking the jury in a trial to ensure the result he wants... whether the right result comes about or not, the system is still corrupt.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There should have been no trial in the first place. Rather that bothering with having Miko drag the OotS back in chains, going through with a show trial, corrupting the legal proceedings of the Sapphire Guard, indirectly causing the fall of Miko, and getting himself killed, Shojo could have used any number of other options. For example, he could have taken the extremely radical solution of... asking the Order of the Stick for help. ("Miko, I have a very important message here that you must deliver to one Roy Greenhilt. On your honour, this message must fall into no other hands, nor must it fail to be delivered by strip #250.")</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We do. Miko does not. Hinjo does not. What's more, neither we nor any of the characters in the story will ever be able to answer the nagging question, "what if there had been more evidence?" Would the verdict have been reversed, or would Shojo's need of the services of the Order, and Roy's Dad's probable reluctance to sentence his son to death won out?</p><p></p><p>That question can never be fully resolved, because it's predicated on an unknown. But, as long as it remains open, it's a blight on the legal system that was used. And that's why you need an impartial jury (summoned Celestial) - it gives you the assurance that the whole thing is handled properly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One suspects, if it were to become widely known what had happened, a great many murderers and other criminals would press to have the ghosts of their dear departed fathers standing judgement in their trials. Probably not too many patricides, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Justice has been seen very clearly to have not been done - the 'impartial jury' used in the trial was very obviously nothing of the sort. The trial has been revealed as a sham, the ruler of the nation has shown he is willing to ignore proper legal proceedings in the name of expedience, and it is time for him to suffer the consequences of his actions.</p><p></p><p>One other question Shojo shouldn't have been able to duck: if he was so convinced that he'd assessed the situation correctly, and had given the right verdict, why make a mock of the legal process? Why not just use an actual summoned Celestial, and proceed from there? That way, there's no half-witted cover up for Miko to discover, and no fallout from that revelation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not questioning whether Miko fell or not - my first post on this topic stated clearly that she had. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. And it remains my contention that Shojo should not have been left in his position of authority.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3309144, member: 22424"] They don't have the right to render judgement - the legal system in place requires that summoned Celestial beings of Law do so. Whether their assessment of the judgement was correct or not is irrelevant; it was not their place to make that assessment in the first place. The situation is exactly analogous to a judge hand-picking the jury in a trial to ensure the result he wants... whether the right result comes about or not, the system is still corrupt. There should have been no trial in the first place. Rather that bothering with having Miko drag the OotS back in chains, going through with a show trial, corrupting the legal proceedings of the Sapphire Guard, indirectly causing the fall of Miko, and getting himself killed, Shojo could have used any number of other options. For example, he could have taken the extremely radical solution of... asking the Order of the Stick for help. ("Miko, I have a very important message here that you must deliver to one Roy Greenhilt. On your honour, this message must fall into no other hands, nor must it fail to be delivered by strip #250.") We do. Miko does not. Hinjo does not. What's more, neither we nor any of the characters in the story will ever be able to answer the nagging question, "what if there had been more evidence?" Would the verdict have been reversed, or would Shojo's need of the services of the Order, and Roy's Dad's probable reluctance to sentence his son to death won out? That question can never be fully resolved, because it's predicated on an unknown. But, as long as it remains open, it's a blight on the legal system that was used. And that's why you need an impartial jury (summoned Celestial) - it gives you the assurance that the whole thing is handled properly. One suspects, if it were to become widely known what had happened, a great many murderers and other criminals would press to have the ghosts of their dear departed fathers standing judgement in their trials. Probably not too many patricides, though. Justice has been seen very clearly to have not been done - the 'impartial jury' used in the trial was very obviously nothing of the sort. The trial has been revealed as a sham, the ruler of the nation has shown he is willing to ignore proper legal proceedings in the name of expedience, and it is time for him to suffer the consequences of his actions. One other question Shojo shouldn't have been able to duck: if he was so convinced that he'd assessed the situation correctly, and had given the right verdict, why make a mock of the legal process? Why not just use an actual summoned Celestial, and proceed from there? That way, there's no half-witted cover up for Miko to discover, and no fallout from that revelation. I'm not questioning whether Miko fell or not - my first post on this topic stated clearly that she had. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. And it remains my contention that Shojo should not have been left in his position of authority. [/QUOTE]
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