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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 3310191" data-attributes="member: 1757">Not true. Her belief about the nature of right and wrong would be irrelevant, because, as you point out, good and evil in the D&D universe are not relative. However, her belief about the *facts* (which is what I was commenting on) is quite relevant. Let me put it this way. A pit fiend charms a harmless peasant into wreaking havoc and casts a seeming spell over him to make him look like a barbed devil. An adventurer sees this happening and attacks the "barbed devil," killing him. Is that an evil deed?In short, intentions count. Mistake of fact can shape intentions dramatically; the law recognizes this quite strongly in the establishment of standards for determining mens rea (for criminal culpability) and intentional/reckless/negligent conduct standards (for civil liability).Ah, but that's the question. I'm not fully convinced that her belief is implausible. I don't think it's quite set up that way. Miko knows that Belkar is evil. She knows that the OotS is guilty, and that the trial was faked. She knows that Shojo has been lying to the paladins about his true intentions from the get-go, and she knows that he doesn't follow the code of the Sapphire Guard, even though he pretends to (or at least makes no representations to the contrary). Shojo's deceptions are even enough to shock Hinjo. Miko also knows that Xykon's army is on the way; she believes (not completely implausibly) that the OotS is in allegiance with Xykon, and now she's overhearing a bunch of potentially nefarious-seeming plotting going on. I don't think this is an implausible conspiracy theory; I think it's a vast, tragic misunderstanding.To the first: Hinjo is not. Miko is his superior. The only scenario under which Hinjo would be rightful leader is if Shojo's appointment of him as heir is legitimate. If Shojo's rule is not legitimate, then neither is his determination of the succession.As to the second: You're absolutely right. As I pointed out in my post, this is where I think Miko goes too far. She's doing the same thing vis-a-vis Shojo as she was about to do with Belkar: Violate his right of due process. *That's* what I think should cost her paladinhood. But the idea that she's wilfully ignoring the facts is a bit hard to swallow for me.</blockquote>

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