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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3525173" data-attributes="member: 4937">OkOk.  Glad that that has been cleared up.Wait a minute, I thought you had agreed to my definition of LG?  I said a LG character in a moment of weakness might lie if he thought that in doing so it would save a 1000 babies, but a LG character as I said would not think that he had been right to do so.  Rather, a lawful good character would always believe that there was an even better alternative to lying, because the LG character believes that lying is wrong by definition.  This same character might well believe that when he choose not to lie, and the babies died that he had done the right thing.  Afterall, he could have lied and the babies still might have died, and by lying he accomplished less than notiong.  He might be tormented about whether he'd really done the right thing, or whether the babies died because of some other failing on his part (lack of faith, for example), but he couldn't believe that in lying he had done the right thing and remain LG (assuming 'lying is wrong' had been his ethical code to begin with).  Now, a LG person might be wrong to believe these things, but he would not perforce be stupid for believing them.  As for 'detect evil and kill', its hard to make a judgment about that unless we live in a universe with actual 'detect evil'.  In my experience, the problem stems from the DM not communicating to said Paladin's player what the rules of the particular universe will be as much as it does from hard headedness on the Paladin's players part.</blockquote>

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