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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Holy Smokes" data-source="post: 4650996" data-attributes="member: 81729">Not intending to dogpile here, because I know lots others have commented on this, but I wanted to turn the perspective around a little. Isn't this the very definition of a Rat-Bastard DM move?The slain dragon was the boss of an optional side-quest, killed so that the fighter could restore/upgrade his sword. This is the kind of stuff RBDMs routinely use to hang players; it's like a reflex reaction. The key to RBDM'ing is choice. Choices have consequences, so you always offer the players choices, and only later do you serve up a cold cup of WTF to let results sink in.So storytelling and dramatics aside, I totally get where you're coming from, but you gotta ask yourself (or at least, I do), What Would Piratecat Do? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>