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Message: <blockquote data-quote="orsal" data-source="post: 3325467" data-attributes="member: 16016">I think Wolfwood2 has pretty much nailed it:Agreed. The great irony is that this player is a lousy roleplayer -- just wants to hack+slash, that's his idea of what D&D is or should be -- but by completely ignoring the roleplay aspect of the game, creating this single-focused character he actually ends up with one of the more entertaining, if unrealistic, characters in the game.I don't know about his previous characters -- he may well have played all over the map -- but he's one of the better roleplayers in the group. He's able to tailor his motivations to his stats (or vice versa) quite well, creating a very believable character while avoiding the cliches (like "dumb fighter").I think Elan's player is one of those who keep saying "I'm roleplaying!" as an excuse for bad in-character decisions. He thinks that only be creating suboptimal characters, and using what abilities he has suboptimally, does he demonstrate that he's getting into character. Roy's player is especially frustrated, since he has figured out quite well (and demonstrates by example) that there is no contradiction between great roleplaying and effective play. All Roy's carping about Elan are just an in-character expression of what Roy's own player is saying about Elan's. Elan's player finally agreed to do something about it, and the DM helped him patch the problem by offering him a tailor-made ridiculously munchkiny PrC to compensate for everything he's done with the character up to this point.That's the best explanation for Durkon that's come up in this thread.Not just that, but a rules lawyer extraordinaire. I'm fully expecting to learn that Vaarsuvius is a diviner, despite having very little interest in divination spells, because it lets him get by with only one favoured class.There I disagree with you. Haley's got a good Bluff, and is the only character in the group who can Sense Motive if the world depended on it. She's clearly expanded the rogue repertoire past the original Thief model. But she is still getting used to the idea that the class can now be Good, trying to play the rogue as a bit of an archetypal thief but with an unlikely alignment, and only doing a so-so job of it. She's rather more beholden than Roy's player to archetypes and the cliches implicit in them.</blockquote>

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