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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6723755" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Background there was a massive war on the wotc forums 2-3 years ago over the warlord and healing. The designers chose a more traditional approach over 4E.  Pathfinder and OSR won the edition war. I'm not sure how many of the warlord fans have looked at the Noble class but if that class is not acceptable yo them I do not know what is. I mean if you buy OGL products you have to put up with renamed things like tactical advantage so it seems the pro 4E side are unwilling to compromise at all when a clads exists that gives them everything they seem to be asking for and can be aquired for $3.  Thats why these threads are basically edition warring by wotc refugees who don't even play the game in most cases. A 5E wizard doesnt quite function the same as a AD&D one and no kne cares to much. Its that uncompromising position abd thread after thread of veiled edition warring that ENworld now has to look forward to and its a direct descendent of the 4E edition wars via the same people using the same tactics. Those being deny, provoke and thread spam.</blockquote>