Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6724675" data-attributes="member: 996">Not avoiding, it's just not an important question.  No, I couldn't care less what's on EN5ider, or in someone else's home game.  More power to 'em for creating the content, but I'm more concerned with D&D, itself, with how well it accomplishes it's stated goals - and with bringing new players into the hobby - and maybe getting around to play an interesting character at some point. Though, there's already a 'Noble' background and I can't pretend a great deal of interest in the concept, in general.  And there's nothing like a Pathfinder-style virtual re-print/continuation of 4e.  So even if I wanted to rage-quit WotC and wallet vote against 5e - which I don't, I actively support and promote 5e - I would have no where to place that petulant vote (the GSL makes a Pathfinder analog to 4e impossible), anyway.3e did go crazy with classes - if you count PrCs and oddball variations, it's hundreds, over 300, IIRC - if you look at classes /just/ in it's two PHs, it's not so crazy, 15 or so.  4e, if you count hybrids and Essentials+ sub-classes & the Vampire, had 77; if you just consider actual classes in one of the PHs, it had 24.  AD&D had 11 classes OA ~doubled that, and there were may 'unofficial' classes in Dragon, AD&D 2e trimmed away the Monk & Assassin & made the Illusionist a specialty, for 8 in the PH, plus the psionicist... and went up from there with many supplements having several novel classes or minor-to-bizarre variations on existing ones, probably north of 50 if you just count every last class-ish thing.Obviously, there's a lot of redundancy in there.  But, if you really did want /exactly/ every class, sub-class, unofficial-NPC class, setting-specific class variation, and PrC ever, it'd be hundreds, in deed.[sblock="PH1 class-counting in detail"]If you restricted yourself to full classes in a PH1, it'd be 13 - if you want to consider anything in a PH1, add the Assassin as a sub-class, and the Wizard specialties and Cleric mythoi/domains, and a psionics appendix, at the outside.Broken down like this:Fighter (1e, 2e, 3e, 4e)Cleric (1e, 2e, 3e, 4e)Magic-user/Wizard (1e, 2e, 3e, 4e)Thief/Rogue (1e, 2e, 3e, 4e)Monk (1e,3e)Bard (2e, 3e)Paladin (2e, 3e, 4e)Ranger (2e, 3e, 4e)Druid (3e)Barbarian (3e)Sorcerer (3e)Warlock (4e)Warlord (4e)+ Assassin, Paladin, Ranger, Druid & Illusionist sub-classes (1e)Bard proto-PrC Appendix (1e)Psionics Appendix (1e)Illusionist, Enchanter, Evoker, Abjurer, Conjurer, Transmuter, Necromancer, Diviner (2e, 3e)Druid specific-mythos priest (2e)Air, Animal, Chaos, Death, Destruction, Earth, Evil, Fire, Good, Healing, Knowledge, Law, Luck, Magic, Plant, Protection, Strength, Sun, Travel, Trickery, War, & Water -Domain Clerics (3e) Knowledge, Life, Light, Nature, Tempest, Trickery, or War5e has 12 full classes, omitting only the Warlord, and 38 sub-classes, omitting the  Chaos, Death, Destruction, Evil,  Good, Law, Luck, Magic, Protection, Strength, and Travel Domains (and possibly re-naming Healing to Life, Sun to Light, Air to Tempest, and folding Animal, Plant, Earth, Fire & Water into Nature), as well as any sort of Psionics, and adding/breaking-out the Wild Sorcerer, Totem Barbarian, Lore & Valor Bards, Shadow & Elemental Monks, Moon & Land Circles, Ancients & Vengeance Oaths, Champion, Hunter, Battlemaster, Beastmaster, Eldritch Knight, and Arcane Trickster.[/sblock]</blockquote>

Verification