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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6727618" data-attributes="member: 7635">My problem always boils down to interpretation. Its not that warlord fans want a 5e warlord, its that warlord fans want a 4e warlord in 5e. A lot of 4e stuff made it into 5e already, but almost none of it looks like it did in 4e: Hunter's Quarry, Hex, Compel Duel, Dragonborn Breath Weapon, Hellish Rebuke, Hit Dice, Commander's Strike, Healing Word, Second Wind, Misty Step, and Hurl Through Hell. None of it works the same and a lot of it changed to fit the mechanics or flavor of 5e. Its impossible to play a 4e-like fighter without extra rules (mark) and feats (sentinel). Its completely impossible to play a 4e ranger (martial striker). Yet whenever the warlord is brought up, it must have EVERY option it had in 4e exactly like it had them in 4e or its a betrayal to the 4e community: It must have forced movement. It must have lazy action granting. It must have Inspirational healing. It must have Bravada/Tactical/Inspiring/etc subdivisions. It must equal a Cleric in support. And it must do all these things completely nonmagically (well, maybe we'll float the idea that a warlord might be a teeny, tiny bit magical as an option DMs can use, but the default fluff is that he is 110% nonmagical.) Can you imagine if every 5e class faced that? People rioting that the monk isn't Psionic? That assassins are back to being nonmagical rogues without shadow or poison attacks? That the Cleric can't shoot radiant energy out of his hands every round? That paladin's can't smite every action? That a wizard can't cast fireball once every encounter? That ranger's cast spells at all, or that bard's have to use the same Healing Word spell as Clerics (they should have a unique spell called Majestic Word that allows healing as a bonus action at distance, but is, you know, different somehow)?I can get the frustration, but I no longer have sympathy for this "cake and eat it too" mentality. Because the discussion always gets held up by a few people coming in and saying "Give me a 4e-like warlord or give me nothing at all!" Well, it looks like you're getting nothing at all.</blockquote>

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