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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6727753" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Well, I think many warlord fans would have been more open to compromise when there were reasons to compromise, "Be as unoffensive to haters as possible" was more reasonable if that had meant phb inclusion, right now any warlord class would be so confined to being a niche option that having a diluted version as all that is available would be disappointing, I'm very dissappointed with the core sorcerer, but I'm more than happy with the outside of core versions that cater more to me -though I still miss the talking ravens and flying disks-, if sorcerer wasn't in core and I had to compromise with wizard players just to get to play a very diluted version of the sorcerer that say still had to carry spellbooks but was still on every way inferior as a mage with all the trappings of requiring special permission and an open DM I would really wouldn't compromise I would be more vocal about wanting my platonic ideal sorcerer -and my platonic ideal sorcerer is shamelessly broken-.  And this is what happens with the warlord, and what happened with the artificer, just that the artificer wasn't really core to begin with and it still presents this "give me a real artificer, not just a token one that doesn't really scratches the surface" attitude.And I think the warlord at its core is: "An equal in in-combat support to the cleric just without magic, but that can still focus on mental stats." the lazy option is just gravy -but having it as an option opens up lots of character concepts that aren't possible without it. It is the best answer so far to the pacifist/bystander PC.-</blockquote>

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