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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6728978" data-attributes="member: 7635">So the answer then has to be "martial magic". You need nonmagical versions of Bless, Cure Wounds, Lesser Restoration, Haste, Healing Word, etc to be a viable support character. I mean, Bardic Inspiration isn't enough, neither is Superiority dice. You'll have to create a whole lot of nonmagical-magic to make a warlord compete with a Cleric or Bard. Good thing nobody is really suggesting that. Some of us are questioning, however, the specifics of how to do that. Nobody wants another Marshal or Healer class; they secretly aren't hoping for broken or useless PoS class clogging up the drain. They do, however, question how such a class fits in the design paradigm of 5e, and the answer routinely given is "expand it to encompass 4e". Marshal is a D&D class through and through; first printing in the Miniature's Handbook (along side the Healer, Warmage, and Favored Soul) and given additional options in 3.5's Player's Handbook II. I'll agree it wasn't a GOOD class, but its as D&D as any other 3.5 class. They could have, but they chose not to. That's telling. They instead chose a different design paradigm. Much like how a Vancian caster would not fit 4e's design, marking and martial striker rangers didn't fit 5e's. (The example of Magic Resistance not fitting 5e's paradigm, or having monsters immune to +2 or greater weapons doesn't.) Yup, but 4e had no problems redefining those things to fit its own design aesthetics. It took tieflings and forced them into one standard look, origin, and powerset. It redefined paladins from servants of LG to servant's of gods. It had no problem forcing rogues to just use crossbows, or fighter's from having no ranged attack powers, or removing magic from the ranger. In short, it took a concept, but redefined it to fit the new edition.You know what is a good concept, but needs to be redefined to fit a new edition? The Warlord. Let me correct my hypothetical somewhat:I got a psionics system that is different than magic, uses power points, but has an annoying paragraph of fluff that ties it to the Far Realm. You get a Warlord that can heal fallen allies from 0, has support and buffing mechanics, and is completely balanced and fun, but has an annoying paragraph of fluff that ties it to "the magical power of words". Sounds fair?</blockquote>

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