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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5396464" data-attributes="member: 4348">I think you are taking for granted that there's a caster casting the AMF...Either that or I'm a much more devious DM than I thought.&nbsp; I think I could probably kill most caster's of normal PC level if the entire party was relying heavily on Magic in...oh...about one round.At least a 50/50 chance at least, depending on initiative...no NPC's needed...with them involved it becomes a certainty.It seems all the CoDzilla scenarios are based upon non-devious DM's...and/or...DM's playing by the rules&nbsp; AS EXPECTED (because players sometimes forget DM's can twist the rules just like they do)...OR if the players are REALLY abusing the books...EXPECT DM'S to miss the biggest rule of them all&nbsp; (because players forget that ever devious...rule 0 by which DM's can help non-uber PC's win the day...or munchkins bite the dust).<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil&nbsp; &nbsp; :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />PS:&nbsp; On the otherhand, if a group of players wanted to play an entire party of spellcasters...I'm actually not that mean...I'd probably tailor a game where they can play...all spellcasters...even if they are all the SAME type of spellcaster.&nbsp; I find it's actually nicer to play along with the players instead of against...tends to mean you have players to play with.&nbsp; Of course I still reserve the right to smack down a munchkin...but that's normally right before we kick them out of the playing group anyways for not playing nice with everyone else...so never really a problem.Which means in truth...I don't think I really ever run into the problem of having to be evil and do uncouth things to players...it's much easier to let them do as they want and play the game as they desire.&nbsp; Of course I'm still devious...but that's only plot devices to keep them intrigued.In that light...spellcasters can cover any rogue situation as they desire with the right party and spells.&nbsp; Far be it from me to deny player's their fun...or a DM mine if I'm the player.At least when I DM.&nbsp; Other's can DM as they desire.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5396464, member: 4348"] I think you are taking for granted that there's a caster casting the AMF... Either that or I'm a much more devious DM than I thought. I think I could probably kill most caster's of normal PC level if the entire party was relying heavily on Magic in...oh...about one round. At least a 50/50 chance at least, depending on initiative...no NPC's needed...with them involved it becomes a certainty. It seems all the CoDzilla scenarios are based upon non-devious DM's...and/or...DM's playing by the rules AS EXPECTED (because players sometimes forget DM's can twist the rules just like they do)...OR if the players are REALLY abusing the books...EXPECT DM'S to miss the biggest rule of them all (because players forget that ever devious...rule 0 by which DM's can help non-uber PC's win the day...or munchkins bite the dust). :devil: PS: On the otherhand, if a group of players wanted to play an entire party of spellcasters...I'm actually not that mean...I'd probably tailor a game where they can play...all spellcasters...even if they are all the SAME type of spellcaster. I find it's actually nicer to play along with the players instead of against...tends to mean you have players to play with. Of course I still reserve the right to smack down a munchkin...but that's normally right before we kick them out of the playing group anyways for not playing nice with everyone else...so never really a problem. Which means in truth...I don't think I really ever run into the problem of having to be evil and do uncouth things to players...it's much easier to let them do as they want and play the game as they desire. Of course I'm still devious...but that's only plot devices to keep them intrigued. In that light...spellcasters can cover any rogue situation as they desire with the right party and spells. Far be it from me to deny player's their fun...or a DM mine if I'm the player. At least when I DM. Other's can DM as they desire. [/QUOTE]

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