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<blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 5957778" data-attributes="member: 386">Yeah.edit: I think I was getting Fortune confused with <a href="http://www.lumpley.com/comment.php?entry=206" target="_blank">IIEE</a>.&nbsp; I'm not sure the rest of this makes much sense.I think D&amp;D combat has always been FitM: Describe action (&quot;I attack!&quot;).&nbsp; Roll &quot;to-hit&quot;.&nbsp; If successful, determine effectiveness of hit by rolling damage.&nbsp; Describe ultimate effect.&nbsp; This is why you can't say &quot;I stab him in the eye!&quot; before you roll for damage; you have to see how much damage you've done - a Fortune mechanic in the middle of resolution, after you've described your initial action - to determine the effect.(You can say &quot;I try to stab him in the eye!&quot; but the combat system isn't resolving that action - it's resolving how many HP the target loses.&nbsp; Only once you know the HP loss can you describe the action.&nbsp; There's no difference between &quot;I try to stab him in the eye!&quot; and &quot;I attack!&quot; until the target loses HP; even at that point there may not be much difference.This is why you need to have a &quot;martial manoeuvres&quot; system, like 3E &amp; 4E have.&nbsp; In both cases you're not resolving an actual action but the effects the rules impose; that's why you can use &quot;Trip&quot; on an ooze (as far as I can tell, in both systems).)A lot of spells work that way too, e.g. Fireball.&nbsp; It has both a Saving Throw and a Save.&nbsp; Interestingly, a lot of spells don't work that way, e.g. Charm Person.This is interesting to me right now because I just playtested a version of Fortune at the End in combat in my 4e Hack: You describe your full action for the round; apply modifiers; roll to determine success of your previously-declared action.&nbsp; Damage is not based on Fortune: it is a set value based on the deadliness of your declared action - a dagger can sometimes deal more damage than a two-handed sword.I ended up there because I wanted a difference between &quot;I try to stab him in the eye!&quot; and &quot;I attack!&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LostSoul, post: 5957778, member: 386"] Yeah. edit: I think I was getting Fortune confused with [URL="http://www.lumpley.com/comment.php?entry=206"]IIEE[/URL]. I'm not sure the rest of this makes much sense. I think D&D combat has always been FitM: Describe action ("I attack!"). Roll "to-hit". If successful, determine effectiveness of hit by rolling damage. Describe ultimate effect. This is why you can't say "I stab him in the eye!" [i]before[/i] you roll for damage; you have to see how much damage you've done - a Fortune mechanic [i]in the middle of resolution,[/i] after you've described your initial action - to determine the effect. (You can say "I [i]try[/i] to stab him in the eye!" but the combat system isn't resolving that action - it's resolving how many HP the target loses. Only once you know the HP loss can you describe the action. There's no difference between "I try to stab him in the eye!" and "I attack!" until the target loses HP; even at that point there may not be much difference. This is why you need to have a "martial manoeuvres" system, like 3E & 4E have. In both cases you're not resolving an actual action but the effects the rules impose; that's why you can use "Trip" on an ooze (as far as I can tell, in both systems).) A lot of spells work that way too, e.g. [i]Fireball[/i]. It has both a Saving Throw and a Save. Interestingly, a lot of spells [i]don't[/i] work that way, e.g. [i]Charm Person[/i]. This is interesting to me right now because I just playtested a version of Fortune at the End in combat in my 4e Hack: You describe your full action for the round; apply modifiers; roll to determine success of your previously-declared action. Damage is not based on Fortune: it is a set value based on the deadliness of your declared action - a dagger can sometimes deal more damage than a two-handed sword. I ended up there because I wanted a difference between "I try to stab him in the eye!" and "I attack!". [/QUOTE]

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