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Opinion: PoL and high tiers do not fit in the long run
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<blockquote data-quote="Nymrohd" data-source="post: 4017698" data-attributes="member: 59126"><p>People are grossly overestimating the power of a level 30 character. Even if a group of level 30 players ascend and become deities, that does not mean they are any more powerful than any of the other established deities. They are not omniscient or omnipotent, so if a huge rift to the far realm opens people will still have to face great difficulties.Not to mention that deities in 4E are assumed to not interfere with the World on a large scale. </p><p>And if they are not deities they can do their best and secure a truly large area under secure command. But the entire world? People would resist such expansionism, especially larger point of light with established power structures.</p><p>4E D&D also seems to cover epic level threats of many kinds. The planes are far closer than before, and a horde of demons can easily overwhelm a group of level 30s and their armies.</p><p>Moreover you are making the assumption that the PoL World is finite. I am not even talking about the planes here. Why does the material plane have to be finite? I've had 2 full-blown homebrews in my gaming life and they were all flat worlds with the potential of infinite exploration.</p><p>And why if evil can defeat level 30 characters does that mean the world will perish? Most forms of evil would prefer to enslave and rule. The ones who prefer to destroy are too chaotic to succeed in routing a resistance.</p><p>The PoL setting is one that assumes that past heroes helped raise empires. And eventually those heroes grew old and died or withdrew from the affairs of the mortal world and the empires they helped found crumbled against some major threat or because of court bickering.</p><p></p><p>Now if you fail to understand that at some points characters should be retired, or you simply enjoy beating a dead horse, then feel free.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nymrohd, post: 4017698, member: 59126"] People are grossly overestimating the power of a level 30 character. Even if a group of level 30 players ascend and become deities, that does not mean they are any more powerful than any of the other established deities. They are not omniscient or omnipotent, so if a huge rift to the far realm opens people will still have to face great difficulties.Not to mention that deities in 4E are assumed to not interfere with the World on a large scale. And if they are not deities they can do their best and secure a truly large area under secure command. But the entire world? People would resist such expansionism, especially larger point of light with established power structures. 4E D&D also seems to cover epic level threats of many kinds. The planes are far closer than before, and a horde of demons can easily overwhelm a group of level 30s and their armies. Moreover you are making the assumption that the PoL World is finite. I am not even talking about the planes here. Why does the material plane have to be finite? I've had 2 full-blown homebrews in my gaming life and they were all flat worlds with the potential of infinite exploration. And why if evil can defeat level 30 characters does that mean the world will perish? Most forms of evil would prefer to enslave and rule. The ones who prefer to destroy are too chaotic to succeed in routing a resistance. The PoL setting is one that assumes that past heroes helped raise empires. And eventually those heroes grew old and died or withdrew from the affairs of the mortal world and the empires they helped found crumbled against some major threat or because of court bickering. Now if you fail to understand that at some points characters should be retired, or you simply enjoy beating a dead horse, then feel free. [/QUOTE]
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