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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 4022265" data-attributes="member: 1003">I expect someone has already addressed some of these points (I don't have time to read all 6 pages right now), but I'll toss these in the ring for comment and catch up when time permits.D&D is not low or gritty fantasy.  It's "Heroic" right out of the gate, and City Guards have Grypon Riders.  PoL is a description of a world that can exist in high fantasy.PoL (as WotC describes it) is a point on a cycle where darkness encroaches upon lightly connected or disconnected points of light. But they admit there are times of Empire where its more a "PoD" setting.  So, in one sense you're right: 30th level heroes can drive back the darkness.  But there are two counter-trends.1. Bad guys can be 30th level too.  Exhibit 1: Orcus.2. 30th level persons don't stick around forever. Even if they're effectively immortal they probably advance to a higher plane, leaving this one behind. That allows for darkness to rise again.And the reverse is true. See above. It's a cycle.You don't need to be "Evil" (with the capital 'E') to allow an empire to collapse through mis-management or lack of skill or resources (or plague, or invasion, etc. etc.).  And even without Alignment playing as prominent a role as before, this does not mean that people are suddenly nicer. Some of them are still bay guys.I disagree.  Even without having "the cycle of Empire" play out its course, just because the PCs bring peace and prosperity to one swath of land doesn't mean that the next kingdom over doesn't need saving.  Moreover, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance; maybe the second campaign takes place inside the kingdom founded by the first campaign.</blockquote>

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