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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4802995" data-attributes="member: 35909">As oppossed to going after the same too powerful red dragon with entirely new groups of PCs ad nauseum, dying every time?&nbsp; Sounds like a strawman to me.Yes, the characters retire eventually.&nbsp; It's called the end of the campaign.&nbsp; Not that certain characters can't continue on in future campaigns, but it's a good time for it.&nbsp; And I've seen plenty of characters retire or move on to other pursuits mid-campaign WITHOUT dying.&nbsp; Using death as an impetus for character retirement is what seems artificial to me.As far as sacrifice, my groups have had moments like that.&nbsp; Deaths so amazingly heroic that they will live on forever in our memories.&nbsp; In games that allowed raise dead spells.&nbsp; And in a good portion of those cases, even with the availability of said magic, the player of the dead PC chose to not raise him, because he liked how the PC went out.&nbsp; Some want the PC to come back, though.&nbsp; If you think the regular raise dead spells are too lame for that, you could quest for a power component.&nbsp; Or do it ancient Greek style and have a session where the PC frees himself from Hades.&nbsp; Whatever.&nbsp; But as for the standard rules on character revival, I'm glad it's nice and simple, with just a spell casting.&nbsp; I always have the option of doing those more exotic things in my game, but if I don't feel like it, I have rules right there to do it the easy way (in terms of DM prep).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4802995, member: 35909"] As oppossed to going after the same too powerful red dragon with entirely new groups of PCs ad nauseum, dying every time? Sounds like a strawman to me. Yes, the characters retire eventually. It's called the end of the campaign. Not that certain characters can't continue on in future campaigns, but it's a good time for it. And I've seen plenty of characters retire or move on to other pursuits mid-campaign WITHOUT dying. Using death as an impetus for character retirement is what seems artificial to me. As far as sacrifice, my groups have had moments like that. Deaths so amazingly heroic that they will live on forever in our memories. In games that allowed raise dead spells. And in a good portion of those cases, even with the availability of said magic, the player of the dead PC chose to not raise him, because he liked how the PC went out. Some want the PC to come back, though. If you think the regular raise dead spells are too lame for that, you could quest for a power component. Or do it ancient Greek style and have a session where the PC frees himself from Hades. Whatever. But as for the standard rules on character revival, I'm glad it's nice and simple, with just a spell casting. I always have the option of doing those more exotic things in my game, but if I don't feel like it, I have rules right there to do it the easy way (in terms of DM prep). [/QUOTE]

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