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<blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5068668" data-attributes="member: 60075"><p>Scribble's post is very useful when comparing 4E to 3.5. And even though I prefer 3.5 over Pathfinder, it must be said that Pathfinder's Bestiary contains dragon stat blocks usable "out of the book":</p><p></p><p>+++++++++++</p><p></p><p><strong>Adult Blue Dragon CR 13</strong></p><p> <strong>XP 25,600</strong></p><p> LE Huge <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/creatureTypes.html#dragon" target="_blank">dragon</a> (<a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/creatureTypes.html#earth-subtype" target="_blank">earth</a>)</p><p> <strong>Init</strong> +4; <strong>Senses</strong> <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#dragon-senses" target="_blank">dragon senses</a>; <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/perception.html#perception" target="_blank">Perception</a> +22</p><p> <strong>Aura</strong> electricity (5 ft., 1d6 elect.), frightful presence (180 ft., DC 21)</p><p> <strong>Defense</strong></p><p> <strong>AC</strong> 28, touch 8, flat-footed 28 (+20 natural, –2 size)</p><p> <strong>hp</strong> 184 (16d12+80)</p><p> <strong>Fort</strong> +15, <strong>Ref</strong> +10, <strong>Will</strong> +13</p><p> <strong>DR </strong>5/magic; <strong>Immune </strong>electricity, paralysis, sleep; <strong>SR </strong>24</p><p> <strong>Offense</strong></p><p> <strong>Speed</strong> 40 ft., burrow 20 ft., fly 200 ft. (poor)</p><p> <strong>Melee</strong> bite +23 (2d8+12), 2 claws +22 (2d6+8), 2 wings +20 (1d8+4), tail slap +20 (2d6+12)</p><p> <strong>Space </strong>15 ft.; <strong>Reach </strong>10 ft. (15 ft. with bite)</p><p> <strong>Special Attacks</strong> <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#breath-weapon-dragon" target="_blank">breath weapon</a> (100-ft. line, DC 23, 12d8 electricity), crush, desert thirst (DC 21)</p><p> <strong>Spell-Like Abilities</strong> (CL 16th)</p><p> At will—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ghostSound.html#ghost-sound" target="_blank">ghost sound</a> </em>(DC 13), <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/minorImage.html#minor-image" target="_blank">minor image</a> </em>(DC 14), <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ventriloquism.html#ventriloquism" target="_blank">ventriloquism</a></em> (DC 14)</p><p> <strong>Spells Known</strong> (CL 5th)</p><p> 2nd (5/day)—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/invisibility.html#invisibility" target="_blank">invisibility</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/resistEnergy.html#resist-energy" target="_blank">resist energy</a></em></p><p> 1st (7/day)—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/alarm.html#alarm" target="_blank">alarm</a></em>, <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mageArmor.html#mage-armor" target="_blank">mage armor</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/shield.html#shield" target="_blank">shield</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/trueStrike.html#true-strike" target="_blank">true strike</a></em></p><p> 0 (at will)—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/arcaneMark.html#arcane-mark" target="_blank">arcane mark</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/detectMagic.html#detect-magic" target="_blank">detect magic</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mageHand.html#mage-hand" target="_blank">mage hand</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mending.html#mending" target="_blank">mending</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/readMagic.html#read-magic" target="_blank">read magic</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/resistance.html#resistance" target="_blank">resistance</a></em></p><p> <strong>Statistics</strong></p><p> <strong>Str</strong> 27, <strong>Dex</strong> 10, <strong>Con</strong> 21, <strong>Int</strong> 16, <strong>Wis</strong> 17, <strong>Cha</strong> 16</p><p> <strong>Base</strong> <strong>Atk</strong> +16; <strong>CMB</strong> +26; <strong>CMD</strong> 36 (40 vs. trip)</p><p> <strong>Feats</strong> <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#combat-casting" target="_blank">Combat Casting</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#dazzling-display" target="_blank">Dazzling Display</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#deadly-stroke" target="_blank">Deadly Stroke</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterFeats.html#hover" target="_blank">Hover</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#improved-initiative" target="_blank">Improved Initiative</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterFeats.html#multiattack" target="_blank">Multiattack</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#shatter-defenses" target="_blank">Shatter Defenses</a>, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#weapon-focus" target="_blank">Weapon Focus</a> (bite)</p><p> <strong>Skills</strong> <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/appraise.html#appraise" target="_blank">Appraise</a> +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/fly.html#fly" target="_blank">Fly</a> +11, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/intimidate.html#intimidate" target="_blank">Intimidate</a> +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/knowledge.html#knowledge" target="_blank">Knowledge</a> (local) +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/knowledge.html#knowledge" target="_blank">Knowledge</a> (geography) +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/perception.html#perception" target="_blank">Perception</a> +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/spellcraft.html#spellcraft" target="_blank">Spellcraft</a> +22, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/stealth.html#stealth" target="_blank">Stealth</a> +11, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/survival.html#survival" target="_blank">Survival</a> +22</p><p> <strong>Languages</strong> Auran, Common, Draconic, Giant</p><p> <strong>SQ </strong>sound imitation</p><p></p><p>--------------</p><p></p><p>Basically, the PF Bestiary gives you complete stat blocks for all age groups of dragons (that's a lot), and then references the SQ once:</p><p></p><p>-------------</p><p><strong>Special Abilities</strong></p><p> <strong>Desert Thirst (Su)</strong> A blue dragon can cast <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/createWater.html#create-water" target="_blank">create water</a></em> at will (CL equals its HD). Alternatively, it can destroy an equal amount of liquid in a 10-foot burst. Unattended liquids are instantly reduced to sand. Liquid-based magic items (such as potions) and items in a creature's possession must succeed on a Will save (DC equal to the dragon's breath weapon) or be destroyed.</p><p> <strong>Electricity Aura (Su)</strong> An adult blue dragon is surrounded by an aura of electricity. Creatures within 5 feet take 1d6 points of electricity damage at the beginning of the dragon's turn. An old dragon's aura extends to 10 feet. An ancient dragon's damage increases to 2d6.</p><p> <strong>Mirage (Su)</strong> An old or older blue dragon can make itself appear to be in two places at once as a free action for a number of rounds per day equal to its Hit Dice. This ability functions as <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/projectImage.html#project-image" target="_blank">project image</a></em> but the dragon can use its breath weapon through the mirage.</p><p> <strong>Sandstorm (Su)</strong> As a standard action, a great wyrm blue dragon can create a sandstorm centered on itself with a radius of 1,200 feet. Creatures other than the dragon inside the storm take 2d6 points of damage per round in addition to the normal sandstorm penalties (<em>Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook</em> 431). This sandstorm lasts for up to 1 hour, but can be dismissed by the dragon as a free action. </p><p> <strong>Sound Imitation (Ex)</strong> A very young or older blue dragon can mimic any voice or sound it has heard by making a successful <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/bluff.html#bluff" target="_blank">Bluff</a> check against a listener's <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/senseMotive.html#sense-motive" target="_blank">Sense Motive</a> check.</p><p> <strong>Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)</strong> A blue dragon gains the following spell-like abilities, usable at will upon reaching the listed age category. Young—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ghostSound.html#ghost-sound" target="_blank">ghost sound</a></em>; Juvenile—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/minorImage.html#minor-image" target="_blank">minor image</a></em>; Adult—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ventriloquism.html#ventriloquism" target="_blank">ventriloquism</a></em>; Old—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/hallucinatoryTerrain.html#hallucinatory-terrain" target="_blank">hallucinatory terrain</a></em>; Ancient—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/veil.html#veil" target="_blank">veil</a></em>; Great wyrm—<em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mirageArcana.html#mirage-arcana" target="_blank">mirage arcana</a></em>.</p><p> <strong>Storm Breath (Su)</strong> An ancient or older blue dragon can use its breath weapon to create a storm of lightning. This functions as <em><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/callLightningStorm.html#call-lightning-storm" target="_blank">call lightning storm</a></em>, but the damage is equal to the dragon's breath weapon. The dragon can call down 1 bolt per round as a free action for 1d6 rounds. The save DC is equal to the dragon's breath weapon DC. Additional uses of this ability extend the duration by an additional 1d6 rounds.</p><p>--------------</p><p></p><p></p><p>PS. Both things posted from <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#chromatic-dragon-blue" target="_blank">here</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Windjammer, post: 5068668, member: 60075"] Scribble's post is very useful when comparing 4E to 3.5. And even though I prefer 3.5 over Pathfinder, it must be said that Pathfinder's Bestiary contains dragon stat blocks usable "out of the book": +++++++++++ [B]Adult Blue Dragon CR 13[/B] [B]XP 25,600[/B] LE Huge [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/creatureTypes.html#dragon"]dragon[/URL] ([URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/creatureTypes.html#earth-subtype"]earth[/URL]) [B]Init[/B] +4; [B]Senses[/B] [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#dragon-senses"]dragon senses[/URL]; [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/perception.html#perception"]Perception[/URL] +22 [B]Aura[/B] electricity (5 ft., 1d6 elect.), frightful presence (180 ft., DC 21) [B]Defense[/B] [B]AC[/B] 28, touch 8, flat-footed 28 (+20 natural, –2 size) [B]hp[/B] 184 (16d12+80) [B]Fort[/B] +15, [B]Ref[/B] +10, [B]Will[/B] +13 [B]DR [/B]5/magic; [B]Immune [/B]electricity, paralysis, sleep; [B]SR [/B]24 [B]Offense[/B] [B]Speed[/B] 40 ft., burrow 20 ft., fly 200 ft. (poor) [B]Melee[/B] bite +23 (2d8+12), 2 claws +22 (2d6+8), 2 wings +20 (1d8+4), tail slap +20 (2d6+12) [B]Space [/B]15 ft.; [B]Reach [/B]10 ft. (15 ft. with bite) [B]Special Attacks[/B] [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#breath-weapon-dragon"]breath weapon[/URL] (100-ft. line, DC 23, 12d8 electricity), crush, desert thirst (DC 21) [B]Spell-Like Abilities[/B] (CL 16th) At will—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ghostSound.html#ghost-sound"]ghost sound[/URL] [/I](DC 13), [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/minorImage.html#minor-image"]minor image[/URL] [/I](DC 14), [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ventriloquism.html#ventriloquism"]ventriloquism[/URL][/I] (DC 14) [B]Spells Known[/B] (CL 5th) 2nd (5/day)—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/invisibility.html#invisibility"]invisibility[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/resistEnergy.html#resist-energy"]resist energy[/URL][/I] 1st (7/day)—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/alarm.html#alarm"]alarm[/URL][/I], [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mageArmor.html#mage-armor"]mage armor[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/shield.html#shield"]shield[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/trueStrike.html#true-strike"]true strike[/URL][/I] 0 (at will)—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/arcaneMark.html#arcane-mark"]arcane mark[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/detectMagic.html#detect-magic"]detect magic[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mageHand.html#mage-hand"]mage hand[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mending.html#mending"]mending[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/readMagic.html#read-magic"]read magic[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/resistance.html#resistance"]resistance[/URL][/I] [B]Statistics[/B] [B]Str[/B] 27, [B]Dex[/B] 10, [B]Con[/B] 21, [B]Int[/B] 16, [B]Wis[/B] 17, [B]Cha[/B] 16 [B]Base[/B] [B]Atk[/B] +16; [B]CMB[/B] +26; [B]CMD[/B] 36 (40 vs. trip) [B]Feats[/B] [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#combat-casting"]Combat Casting[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#dazzling-display"]Dazzling Display[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#deadly-stroke"]Deadly Stroke[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterFeats.html#hover"]Hover[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#improved-initiative"]Improved Initiative[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterFeats.html#multiattack"]Multiattack[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#shatter-defenses"]Shatter Defenses[/URL], [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#weapon-focus"]Weapon Focus[/URL] (bite) [B]Skills[/B] [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/appraise.html#appraise"]Appraise[/URL] +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/fly.html#fly"]Fly[/URL] +11, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/intimidate.html#intimidate"]Intimidate[/URL] +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/knowledge.html#knowledge"]Knowledge[/URL] (local) +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/knowledge.html#knowledge"]Knowledge[/URL] (geography) +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/perception.html#perception"]Perception[/URL] +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/spellcraft.html#spellcraft"]Spellcraft[/URL] +22, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/stealth.html#stealth"]Stealth[/URL] +11, [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/survival.html#survival"]Survival[/URL] +22 [B]Languages[/B] Auran, Common, Draconic, Giant [B]SQ [/B]sound imitation -------------- Basically, the PF Bestiary gives you complete stat blocks for all age groups of dragons (that's a lot), and then references the SQ once: ------------- [B]Special Abilities[/B] [B]Desert Thirst (Su)[/B] A blue dragon can cast [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/createWater.html#create-water"]create water[/URL][/I] at will (CL equals its HD). Alternatively, it can destroy an equal amount of liquid in a 10-foot burst. Unattended liquids are instantly reduced to sand. Liquid-based magic items (such as potions) and items in a creature's possession must succeed on a Will save (DC equal to the dragon's breath weapon) or be destroyed. [B]Electricity Aura (Su)[/B] An adult blue dragon is surrounded by an aura of electricity. Creatures within 5 feet take 1d6 points of electricity damage at the beginning of the dragon's turn. An old dragon's aura extends to 10 feet. An ancient dragon's damage increases to 2d6. [B]Mirage (Su)[/B] An old or older blue dragon can make itself appear to be in two places at once as a free action for a number of rounds per day equal to its Hit Dice. This ability functions as [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/projectImage.html#project-image"]project image[/URL][/I] but the dragon can use its breath weapon through the mirage. [B]Sandstorm (Su)[/B] As a standard action, a great wyrm blue dragon can create a sandstorm centered on itself with a radius of 1,200 feet. Creatures other than the dragon inside the storm take 2d6 points of damage per round in addition to the normal sandstorm penalties ([I]Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook[/I] 431). This sandstorm lasts for up to 1 hour, but can be dismissed by the dragon as a free action. [B]Sound Imitation (Ex)[/B] A very young or older blue dragon can mimic any voice or sound it has heard by making a successful [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/bluff.html#bluff"]Bluff[/URL] check against a listener's [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/senseMotive.html#sense-motive"]Sense Motive[/URL] check. [B]Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)[/B] A blue dragon gains the following spell-like abilities, usable at will upon reaching the listed age category. Young—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ghostSound.html#ghost-sound"]ghost sound[/URL][/I]; Juvenile—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/minorImage.html#minor-image"]minor image[/URL][/I]; Adult—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/ventriloquism.html#ventriloquism"]ventriloquism[/URL][/I]; Old—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/hallucinatoryTerrain.html#hallucinatory-terrain"]hallucinatory terrain[/URL][/I]; Ancient—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/veil.html#veil"]veil[/URL][/I]; Great wyrm—[I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/mirageArcana.html#mirage-arcana"]mirage arcana[/URL][/I]. [B]Storm Breath (Su)[/B] An ancient or older blue dragon can use its breath weapon to create a storm of lightning. This functions as [I][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/callLightningStorm.html#call-lightning-storm"]call lightning storm[/URL][/I], but the damage is equal to the dragon's breath weapon. The dragon can call down 1 bolt per round as a free action for 1d6 rounds. The save DC is equal to the dragon's breath weapon DC. Additional uses of this ability extend the duration by an additional 1d6 rounds. -------------- PS. Both things posted from [url=http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/dragon.html#chromatic-dragon-blue]here[/url]. [/QUOTE]
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