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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 5069496" data-attributes="member: 23977">I think that's the main difference people miss, or just doesn't work for them with a 4e stat block. The 4e stat block is cutting out everything that won't work in the situation that calls for a stat block 99% of the time- A fight.It's fine to have a load of abilities that inspire the DM attached to a monster, but if the stat block is going to most commonly be referred to while the creature is in a fight then those "extra" abilities will only serve to hamper the DM durring the game.Those extra abilities should be kept separate in a different stat block if you will. (If you read the most recent skill challenge article, Mike Mearls does exactly this with a role playing stat block.) And this is the area I think most DMs are interested in DMing for- the creative part. (At least thats why I am!) If I want a Blue Dragon that can control the weather, and is a master of deception, I'll give him some weather related rituals, maybe some stealth relaed rituals, and magic items, a good backstory, and some traits to roleplay him related to his deceptive nature. But I DON'T need them cluttering up the stat block that will be used if and when it gets into a fight- I'll keep them in a seperate area.4e works really well for me for this reason. It gives me the numbers, and does a lot of the boring work I don't want to deal with, then gets out of the way as quickly as it can. I can spend my time working on the fun parts.But again, I think this is the wrong thread for this discussion, as this is a discussion about Pathfinder, why are people talking about 4e?Shrug- if 4e doesn't work for you then play whatever game you want? I'm not interested in a edition war pissing contest. A question was asked so I answered why the element of the game works well for me, I don't really care whether or not you agree with my opinions! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Have fun doing whatever it is you have fun doing.</blockquote>

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