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<blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5069784" data-attributes="member: 60075"><p>What you describe here is utterly true at my 3.5 table. So I got 1-2 guys who've been gaming 3rd since 2000, and then I've got 5 guys who only got introduced to 3E by me last year. Let's call them 3E veterans and 3E newbs (although neither label is appropriate).</p><p></p><p>A "veteran" had joined our campaign after taking leave for several months. After last session he expressed his utter amazement that none of the noobs were shooting me (or the veterans) after-session Q&A on "so how this monster ability work" and "how did monster 2 do that". In reply, all of the noobs were amazed that they were sorta expected to ask these questions, as if it's part of the game. Which, for us, it isn't.</p><p></p><p>So colour me intrigued by your observation. Yes, it rings true, but <strong>I'd REALLY like to know what exactly in 3E brought about this sentiment in the veteran player base.</strong> I don't know. Nothing in the core rulebooks ever told me that as a DM I'm obliged to enlighten my players. Heck, last time one of the veterans was surprised that I didn't tell him the DC for his skill check. I wonder where the core books say I must announce the DC. And so on. <strong>What brought about this mentality?</strong></p><p></p><p>And now, for the record: </p><p></p><p>1. The 4E PHB explicitly <em>recommends</em> players to read the MM, as there is much "useful" information for them in the MM. Does 3E do that? I don't recall. I recall that players reading the MM was regarded a sin in 1E times, and not a venial one either.</p><p></p><p>2. A quote:</p><p></p><p>Show me a remotely comparable passage/essay in any official thing published for 3.x by WotC. Please do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Windjammer, post: 5069784, member: 60075"] What you describe here is utterly true at my 3.5 table. So I got 1-2 guys who've been gaming 3rd since 2000, and then I've got 5 guys who only got introduced to 3E by me last year. Let's call them 3E veterans and 3E newbs (although neither label is appropriate). A "veteran" had joined our campaign after taking leave for several months. After last session he expressed his utter amazement that none of the noobs were shooting me (or the veterans) after-session Q&A on "so how this monster ability work" and "how did monster 2 do that". In reply, all of the noobs were amazed that they were sorta expected to ask these questions, as if it's part of the game. Which, for us, it isn't. So colour me intrigued by your observation. Yes, it rings true, but [B]I'd REALLY like to know what exactly in 3E brought about this sentiment in the veteran player base.[/B] I don't know. Nothing in the core rulebooks ever told me that as a DM I'm obliged to enlighten my players. Heck, last time one of the veterans was surprised that I didn't tell him the DC for his skill check. I wonder where the core books say I must announce the DC. And so on. [B]What brought about this mentality?[/B] And now, for the record: 1. The 4E PHB explicitly [I]recommends[/I] players to read the MM, as there is much "useful" information for them in the MM. Does 3E do that? I don't recall. I recall that players reading the MM was regarded a sin in 1E times, and not a venial one either. 2. A quote: Show me a remotely comparable passage/essay in any official thing published for 3.x by WotC. Please do. [/QUOTE]
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