Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Opinions on Pathfinder
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5069910" data-attributes="member: 4892"><p>[Emphasis mine.] The if I am referring to is classes/feats/spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Could you give an example in 3.5 or Pathfinder RAW where a given class, feat or spell is available to the NPC or Monster and not available to a PC. I'm not talking about feats that require a physical attribute like wings or Large size, just a feat/class/spell that explicitly says DM Only.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AD&D opponents (mainly monsters) and 4E opponents are explicitly built using different rules than 3E equivalents. This set up an expectation in many players' eyes that the DM would now have to follow the same rules they did. Sure, you can always point to Rule Zero, but disappointing your players by using it as a crutch for every time you want to buck the paradigm isn't exactly a good idea, IMO. Everyone at the table needs to be satisfied with the game, not just the DM.</p><p></p><p>Warning, some may find the following maudlin ramblings not to their personal taste. So I will hide them away in a spoiler block so as not to offend:</p><p>[sblock]I <strong>wasn't</strong> satisfied with the 3E paradigm and that led to my abandonment of it. Luckily, my players are just as satisfied overall with the shift to 4E that we are able to reach concensus of play. It could have also gone the direction of one of them stepping up to run 3E or PF and me being satisfied participating as a player.[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5069910, member: 4892"] [Emphasis mine.] The if I am referring to is classes/feats/spells. Could you give an example in 3.5 or Pathfinder RAW where a given class, feat or spell is available to the NPC or Monster and not available to a PC. I'm not talking about feats that require a physical attribute like wings or Large size, just a feat/class/spell that explicitly says DM Only. AD&D opponents (mainly monsters) and 4E opponents are explicitly built using different rules than 3E equivalents. This set up an expectation in many players' eyes that the DM would now have to follow the same rules they did. Sure, you can always point to Rule Zero, but disappointing your players by using it as a crutch for every time you want to buck the paradigm isn't exactly a good idea, IMO. Everyone at the table needs to be satisfied with the game, not just the DM. Warning, some may find the following maudlin ramblings not to their personal taste. So I will hide them away in a spoiler block so as not to offend: [sblock]I [B]wasn't[/B] satisfied with the 3E paradigm and that led to my abandonment of it. Luckily, my players are just as satisfied overall with the shift to 4E that we are able to reach concensus of play. It could have also gone the direction of one of them stepping up to run 3E or PF and me being satisfied participating as a player.[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Opinions on Pathfinder
Top