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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5071111" data-attributes="member: 4892"><p>Do you have references to the "poo flinging" on WotC's part?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well, geuss what? In business you need to make a decision and stick with it. If you approach something half-assed it is doomed to fail. It is pure <strong>fact</strong> that WotC must consider 4E to be a success at this point, because otherwise they would have changed directions at this point. Thy <strong>have</strong> listened to criticism. Not enough fluff in the MM? Announced today that MM3 will contain more fluff that the audience has asked for.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't think they handled my remaining subscription to Dungeon well. And instead of offering a solution that satisfied me they blamed the problem on WotC. It is not WotC's fault that Paizo was unwilling to offer a solution that satisfied me as a customer. So everyone has their own opinion on who made better choices. I believe each company made the choice that was right for their company.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is exactly the attitude I got when Paizo added content to Dungeon that I didn't want (Polyhedron). This is the attitude I got when the page count of my pre-paid subscription was reduced by the change to a monthly format. They aren't saints, they make mistakess too.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Only for that niche of players that would use it. Continued research may have shown that the majority of players would not use the game table. The research may have also shown that of those players that use virtual tables many find existing methods to be adequate so as not to be interested in WotC's offering.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>It is <strong>not</strong> a fact. You have no clue what went on behind the scenes. It is a fact that print magazine sales are declining, much like the newspaper trade. It is my recollection that Erik Mona was happy to see a new model where they weren't in the business of finding advertisers to support their income (because advertisers are also paying less for ad space in a falling media). Another poster mentioned stress around the change. Stress =/= Bad Things Happening. The change was a good direction for Paizo (obviously), but it would still be a stressful time moving to the new paradigm.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>They didn't cancel the magazines! They pulled them in-house and the magazines continue today. Whether you like the new format or publisher is irrelevant. Who's to blame a company for keeping intellectual property they own?! Were they supposed to just give the names of the magazines up to a company that 1) didn't like being in the magazine business anymore (Erik did says he <em>would</em> love to continue the magazine if allowed, but its viability was slipping anyway) and 2) doesn't want to support the new edition. It's really that simple.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>My speculation is that Paizo would not have continued publication of the magazines even if WotC had offered it to them. I mean, they decided against supporting 4E after learning the details. In business that could become "why offer when there is no interest?"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5071111, member: 4892"] Do you have references to the "poo flinging" on WotC's part? Well, geuss what? In business you need to make a decision and stick with it. If you approach something half-assed it is doomed to fail. It is pure [B]fact[/B] that WotC must consider 4E to be a success at this point, because otherwise they would have changed directions at this point. Thy [B]have[/B] listened to criticism. Not enough fluff in the MM? Announced today that MM3 will contain more fluff that the audience has asked for. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't think they handled my remaining subscription to Dungeon well. And instead of offering a solution that satisfied me they blamed the problem on WotC. It is not WotC's fault that Paizo was unwilling to offer a solution that satisfied me as a customer. So everyone has their own opinion on who made better choices. I believe each company made the choice that was right for their company. This is exactly the attitude I got when Paizo added content to Dungeon that I didn't want (Polyhedron). This is the attitude I got when the page count of my pre-paid subscription was reduced by the change to a monthly format. They aren't saints, they make mistakess too. Only for that niche of players that would use it. Continued research may have shown that the majority of players would not use the game table. The research may have also shown that of those players that use virtual tables many find existing methods to be adequate so as not to be interested in WotC's offering. It is [B]not[/B] a fact. You have no clue what went on behind the scenes. It is a fact that print magazine sales are declining, much like the newspaper trade. It is my recollection that Erik Mona was happy to see a new model where they weren't in the business of finding advertisers to support their income (because advertisers are also paying less for ad space in a falling media). Another poster mentioned stress around the change. Stress =/= Bad Things Happening. The change was a good direction for Paizo (obviously), but it would still be a stressful time moving to the new paradigm. They didn't cancel the magazines! They pulled them in-house and the magazines continue today. Whether you like the new format or publisher is irrelevant. Who's to blame a company for keeping intellectual property they own?! Were they supposed to just give the names of the magazines up to a company that 1) didn't like being in the magazine business anymore (Erik did says he [I]would[/I] love to continue the magazine if allowed, but its viability was slipping anyway) and 2) doesn't want to support the new edition. It's really that simple. My speculation is that Paizo would not have continued publication of the magazines even if WotC had offered it to them. I mean, they decided against supporting 4E after learning the details. In business that could become "why offer when there is no interest?" [/QUOTE]
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