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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 5829039" data-attributes="member: 2167">Other.Ability bonuses and penalties should be on a case by case basis. I disagree with the "every race gets a +2 to 1 stat" or "every race gets +2 to 2 stats and a -2 to a 3rd" style mechanic.  Attribute bonuses/penalties should BE a core racial feature, not an assumption. Additionally, just because one race gets a +2/-2 doesn't mean every race should.For instance, dwarves.Part of the problem with race design is that if you ask 5 people what a Dwarf should be mechanically, you'll likely get 5 different answers.Dwarves are generally considered to be the hardiest and toughest of races. This might well grant them a bonus to CON if you want ALL the benefits of a high CON (saves, skills, HP, etc.).  However, if you want to say that dwarves are no more hardy than humans when it comes to how much "punishment" than can take (i.e. HP) then you Don't give them a CON bonus but instead give them things like bonuses to saves vs, poison and disease and bonuses to CON skills.On the flip side, a DEX penalty may just well apply based on everything in the description of the dwarven physiology.  They are short, stout and bulky (basically living bolders in body shape) and it could be said that this automatically makes them much less agile if you want them to suffer penalties to everything DEX represents (defenses, saves, initiative, skills, etc.). Or you could instead make the penalty a penalty to all DEX-based skill checks, or just to DEX saves.It is all a matter of how you look at the specifics of what you want a race to excel at, or be not so good at.However, what I do not want to see is a return of the Max Attribute by Race table. It is a cumbersome and clunky way to limit Attributes, and it breaks logic when you have ways to raise attribute scores.Personally, I like how Fantasy Craft did their species building tool. Every racial feature and attribute bonus has a set cost (there are also racial penalties that can be applied as well including stat penalties). All races are built with 7 point. Some races get 7 points of "racial features" while others get attributes and less abilities.</blockquote>

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