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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9728353" data-attributes="member: 18">Disagree. Bat or bird-style wings would absolutely function at that scale, they're just not that different to aeroplane wings. The issue is more to do with the claimed weights of D&D dragons, and how the game claims they fly.What do you mean by reverse? Because you seem to be using a lot of words in ways other people do not understand them (tweak particularly lol, I would have said "change completely" where you said "tweak"), especially people who have a lot more knowledge than you about physics and flight (no insult but...).Could you perhaps draw a sketch of what you mean in MS Paint or something?Not quite - this was explained upthread.Hummingbird wings are aerodynamic in both directions, they're just MORE aerodynamic in the forward direction, and they operate a lot more like rigid insect wing than a conventional bird or bat or dragon wing (but are their own thing).I think we understand re: magic - the magic is to be focused on allowing a wing that large to slam up and down fast enough to keep 80,000lbs airborne. It's going to be real noisy!</blockquote>