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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 625695" data-attributes="member: 1969">Unfortunately, talking about legal claims and property rights is useless unless those rules are established relative to the campaign world you are playing in.  Typically speaking, someone who makes an item (the Dwarf's ancestors) owns it until it is sold or given freely.  If clan Battleforge made these arms as a gift or as part of a comission, they belong to whomever recieved the gift or comission (apparently this Haran guy).  Since the arms are now owned by "Big Evil Dude,"  noone in the party has any legal claim to them.  Of course, the Pally ain't going to return the arms to their rightfull owner, he's going to use them to kick some evil patootie. Basically, the Paladin has a mandate from his chruch to use these arms to fight the Count and the Dwarf wants the arms because they were made by his ancestors.  Hate to break it to you, but your Dwarf has no claim unless the Arms in question were stolen from his Clan.  The Paladin has no valid claim either, so you are going to have to work this out for yourselves.  Perhaps you could give us some more history on these arms.  Did the BattleForge clan make them as a comission or were they stolen?   How did the Count come to own these arms?  Does Haran have any family still alive?Edit:  As an aside, while we talk about things like "legal claim" and "original ownership" I think one thing should be taken into consideration above all else; Nine-Tenths of Ownership is Possession.  If you find it and can keep it (by whatever means) it's pretty much yours.  This is especially true in a world where the strength of Law is equivalent to the strength of the Sword.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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