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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Telas" data-source="post: 2130215" data-attributes="member: 20934">Thanks for the replies.  Some comments:I meant to call it Stealth; that's what I get for posting at 1:45 AM....   :\   I haven't been using Balance in the campaign for things like that.  DM error, soon to be corrected.  I think I'll also use it when anyone's in a crowded space, to avoid the penalty and the loss of Dex bonuses.  Thanks.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The player of a sorcerer in my game is highly frustrated at having a high Charisma, but only having three points per level to divide between Spellcraft, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Craft (Alchemy), and Diplomacy.  I rolled up a Wiz, matching the Sorc in just about everything, and IMHO, he's much more versatile and playable than the Sorc in everything but depth of spellcasting (Sorc gets a few more spells per day).  The wiz has far more skills, metamagic feats, and available spells.  Since I run a skill-heavy, role-heavy game, I decided the Sorc should be a bit more versatile.  The player's not one to powergame, so even if it's overpowering, he won't abuse it.I do have a powergaming Monk in the campaign, however, and he's running roughshod over the other characters.  (We use the 32-point buy system.)  He can out-stealth the Rogue, out-save everyone, Tumble so much that he never suffers AoOs, and is unhittable with one missile weapon a round.  His damage isn't much, but he already gets the "magic fist" while the other PCs are fighting over oils of Magic Weapon.  In combat, he accounts for as many kills as anyone. In a low-magic setting (4-5th level, two magic weapons in a party of seven), the monk is a badass.  In Greyhawk, non-human monks aren't a regular sight (early rules didn't have nonhuman monks), so it fits the setting, too.  Although Dwarven pugilists do sound interesting, I think they can be done up as Fighters with all the right feats and maybe a prestige class....?  Telas</blockquote>

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