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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dross" data-source="post: 3094911" data-attributes="member: 33802">Which was why on a couple of accasions I said that it may not be for everybody. I also said may need atonement for their actions, which allows the possibility of no atonement being needed to having the cleric become an ex-cleric.But it does not even need to be a loose loose situation. The Vecna/Pelor example could have the Pelorian cleric not need any atonement but be rewarded if the DM made the Vecna item the only available method of defeating the undead army (I myself wouldn't unless it was something the player wanted). But as I said before it was an idea I came up in with a moment to show that it can easily make sense.I do not disagree that the "casual" use of an opposed deity's item isn't something that a cleric (or any faithful) should do, but I can easily see a reason to do so. Stories are full of heros (and PCs) sarcificing themselves for the greater good.Does this mean that you have changed your mine that touching an opposed alignment does not make sense and now say that it not for all people? :\ If it is not for you, it is not for you, I certainly haven't had this situation come up in any games I've played but I can see it being possible.</blockquote>