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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3205303" data-attributes="member: 141">I would say that such a factor would bump that particular instance of [slay] to a category A effect.Although I believe that such factors would need to be re-examined in light of this discussion.&nbsp; If people knew that opposed death wards would take such a heavy penalty, they might not bother with paying for the extra power; most of the time it would be redundant. Or they might pay a few points to get a bonus to OCLCs.&nbsp; To actually overwhelm opposed epic death wards might require a substantial premium.There would thus be three typical cases: one where the epic benefit was traded in for other factors - death ward automatically prevails; the standard case - death ward makes an OCLC at -12; the absolute case - death ward automatically fails.Category A - A for &quot;absolute&quot;?&nbsp; Category B - B for &quot;baseline&quot;?&nbsp; No handy mnemonic occurs to me for case C, the one where death ward prevails.&nbsp; &quot;Cheap&quot;?What seed would govern [death ward] effects, anyway?&nbsp; [Augment]?An Absolute [compel] wouldn't allow an OCLC.&nbsp; A Cheap [compel] would be blocked automatically.&nbsp; There would be an OCLC for a Baseline [compel], since mind blank is phrased as providing absolute protection.&nbsp; A B-[compel] would get +4 on its OCLC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 3205303, member: 141"] I would say that such a factor would bump that particular instance of [slay] to a category A effect. Although I believe that such factors would need to be re-examined in light of this discussion. If people knew that opposed [i]death wards[/i] would take such a heavy penalty, they might not bother with paying for the extra power; most of the time it would be redundant. Or they might pay a few points to get a bonus to OCLCs. To actually overwhelm opposed epic [i]death wards[/i] might require a substantial premium. There would thus be three typical cases: one where the epic benefit was traded in for other factors - [i]death ward[/i] automatically prevails; the standard case - [i]death ward[/i] makes an OCLC at -12; the absolute case - [i]death ward[/i] automatically fails. Category A - A for "absolute"? Category B - B for "baseline"? No handy mnemonic occurs to me for case C, the one where [i]death ward[/i] prevails. "Cheap"? What seed would govern [death ward] effects, anyway? [Augment]? An Absolute [compel] wouldn't allow an OCLC. A Cheap [compel] would be blocked automatically. There would be an OCLC for a Baseline [compel], since [i]mind blank[/i] is phrased as providing absolute protection. A B-[compel] would get +4 on its OCLC. [/QUOTE]

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