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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4916515" data-attributes="member: 71699">The reserved post is for collating notes arising, if any <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Games are often analysed in two main ways; narrativist and ludogical. Either approach may make recourse to the tools of argumentation that help us get what we are saying straight. For instance, Dragongrief reveals that logical arguments must be based on worthwhile premises. We can look at all the possible arrangements of B that are R and C that are R, and if we like choose one arrangment over others and proceed with that arrangement as Dragongrief does. The conclusion reached will however rely on the truth of a tenuous set of implied premises. Crothian's post straight after immediately questions those premises; I think most RPG gamers would do so.As I say, my personal reading is that all characters can be roleplayed. That isn't necessary for the argument, as for many equally justified configurations of B and C the outcome is the same. For those that are not, one first has to put the premises and see if they feel sound, before one can really raise them as an objection.-vk</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 4916515, member: 71699"] The reserved post is for collating notes arising, if any :) Games are often analysed in two main ways; narrativist and ludogical. Either approach may make recourse to the tools of argumentation that help us get what we are saying straight. For instance, [B]Dragongrief[/B] reveals that logical arguments must be based on worthwhile premises. We can look at all the possible arrangements of B that are R and C that are R, and if we like choose one arrangment over others and proceed with that arrangement as [B]Dragongrief[/B] does. The conclusion reached will however rely on the truth of a tenuous set of implied premises. [B]Crothian's[/B] post straight after immediately questions those premises; I think most RPG gamers would do so. As I say, [B]my personal reading is that all characters can be roleplayed[/B]. That isn't necessary for the argument, as for many equally justified configurations of B and C the outcome is the same. For those that are not, one first has to put the premises and see if they feel sound, before one can really raise them as an objection. -vk [/QUOTE]

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