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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4916827" data-attributes="member: 65637">Ah, no, because only roll players use point buy, but role players roll their stats.Confused yet?The reason the fallacy exists is somewhat ironic, as it has nothing to do with roll playing or role playing or optimization.&nbsp; It came down to people needing a reason to hate new editions, and &quot;It's all a bunch of roll players!&quot; was an easy way to do so.&nbsp; Find someone who uses the word &quot;roll players&quot; in seriousness and, nine times out of ten, you'll find someone who won't play a game past 2e.&nbsp; The idea grew that 3e fostered power gaming, that most horrible curse word, and that &quot;true roleplayers&quot; would never get into it.Which is funny, because 2e is the edition in which you gained an experience bonus for having high stats.The other thing that it brought up was a HATRED for rolling your social skills, which is absolutely hilarious when you think about it.&nbsp; You can be a weakling nerd playing as a viking barbarian.&nbsp; You can be a college student playing as a wise old wizard.&nbsp; You can be an athiest playing as a devout cleric.&nbsp; But someone shy being a social character?&nbsp; That's just not role playing ;p</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4916827, member: 65637"] Ah, no, because only [B]roll players[/B] use point buy, but [B]role players[/B] roll their stats. Confused yet? The reason the fallacy exists is somewhat ironic, as it has nothing to do with roll playing or role playing or optimization. It came down to people needing a reason to hate new editions, and "It's all a bunch of [B]roll players![/B]" was an easy way to do so. Find someone who uses the word "roll players" in seriousness and, nine times out of ten, you'll find someone who won't play a game past 2e. The idea grew that 3e fostered [B]power gaming[/B], that most horrible curse word, and that "true roleplayers" would never get into it. Which is funny, because 2e is the edition in which you [I]gained an experience bonus for having high stats[/I]. The other thing that it brought up was a HATRED for rolling your social skills, which is absolutely hilarious when you think about it. You can be a weakling nerd playing as a viking barbarian. You can be a college student playing as a wise old wizard. You can be an athiest playing as a devout cleric. But someone shy being a social character? [B]That's just not role playing[/B] ;p [/QUOTE]

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