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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9697607" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Firstly, before answering the question here, I am quite surprised to say I have very few notes. Not quite "no notes", but <em>shockingly</em> close. This may be the first time you and I genuinely just...agree on stuff right off the bat. It's a nice change of pace.</p><p></p><p>For me, the answer to this question depends on context. Consider the following:</p><p></p><p>GM: "Hey. Your character is stupidly OP. You need to play something that isn't...that. And whatever else you play, it also needs to not be...like that. Got it? Because if you don't change this, we're kicking you out. Sorry, that's just how it is. Send me your new character sheet at least a day in advance so I can approve it first."</p><p></p><p>vs</p><p></p><p>GM: "Hey. I've been talking with the other players, and we're all feeling a little frustrated. Your character is...really powerful, and that's causing us issues. It's really hard for me to make a combat that's interesting for you without pasting the others, and folks are feeling frustrated that they aren't really getting to contribute. We need to talk about what changes we can make so the rest of us are happy, without just taking away your character outright. Do you have time to do that now? This needs to happen sooner rather than later."</p><p></p><p>Now, obviously, the first example is by construction EXTREMELY blunt, aggressive, unsubtle, has a clearly insincere "sorry", etc., while the latter is conciliatory perhaps to a fault, much more longwinded, etc. These are polar opposite extremes, meant to illustrate the point. A GM who approaches me with the second message? I'm going to walk with them as far as I'm able, and I'll likely be willing to make sacrifices I might otherwise not make, because they've shown they <em>care</em>. They've shown that what matters isn't throwing their weight around, but finding common ground, and building something better than what we currently have. I respect that. I don't want to be a pain in the butt. I'm often concerned about whether or not I am a "problem" or a "burden" to others, so someone approaching with understanding and respect matters, a LOT, to me.</p><p></p><p>'Course, if my behavior has been really crappy, or if I've been warned multiple times before and nothing has changed? Yeah, a response like the top one is probably warranted. That's not "ARE YOU RESISTING ARREST?!?", but rather "WAKE. THE F---. <strong>UP</strong>."</p><p></p><p>In brief, if the GM comes to me and tries to find common ground, I'll honestly probably give them more than I really have to. But if they come at it slamming down the gavel? I'm <em>going</em> to resist, and I'm probably going to give <em>less</em> than I think is warranted just because I resent such heavy-handed tactics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9697607, member: 6790260"] Firstly, before answering the question here, I am quite surprised to say I have very few notes. Not quite "no notes", but [I]shockingly[/I] close. This may be the first time you and I genuinely just...agree on stuff right off the bat. It's a nice change of pace. For me, the answer to this question depends on context. Consider the following: GM: "Hey. Your character is stupidly OP. You need to play something that isn't...that. And whatever else you play, it also needs to not be...like that. Got it? Because if you don't change this, we're kicking you out. Sorry, that's just how it is. Send me your new character sheet at least a day in advance so I can approve it first." vs GM: "Hey. I've been talking with the other players, and we're all feeling a little frustrated. Your character is...really powerful, and that's causing us issues. It's really hard for me to make a combat that's interesting for you without pasting the others, and folks are feeling frustrated that they aren't really getting to contribute. We need to talk about what changes we can make so the rest of us are happy, without just taking away your character outright. Do you have time to do that now? This needs to happen sooner rather than later." Now, obviously, the first example is by construction EXTREMELY blunt, aggressive, unsubtle, has a clearly insincere "sorry", etc., while the latter is conciliatory perhaps to a fault, much more longwinded, etc. These are polar opposite extremes, meant to illustrate the point. A GM who approaches me with the second message? I'm going to walk with them as far as I'm able, and I'll likely be willing to make sacrifices I might otherwise not make, because they've shown they [I]care[/I]. They've shown that what matters isn't throwing their weight around, but finding common ground, and building something better than what we currently have. I respect that. I don't want to be a pain in the butt. I'm often concerned about whether or not I am a "problem" or a "burden" to others, so someone approaching with understanding and respect matters, a LOT, to me. 'Course, if my behavior has been really crappy, or if I've been warned multiple times before and nothing has changed? Yeah, a response like the top one is probably warranted. That's not "ARE YOU RESISTING ARREST?!?", but rather "WAKE. THE F---. [B]UP[/B]." In brief, if the GM comes to me and tries to find common ground, I'll honestly probably give them more than I really have to. But if they come at it slamming down the gavel? I'm [I]going[/I] to resist, and I'm probably going to give [I]less[/I] than I think is warranted just because I resent such heavy-handed tactics. [/QUOTE]
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