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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 9692164" data-attributes="member: 7031982">Optimization is like Metagaming: if it seems like a problem it's not because those things exist, it's because you are playing with people who have difficult personalities. Changing the rules to prevent the symptom won't magically change those personalities.EDIT:  Note that the existence of a 'problem' doesn't necessarily mean that the optimizer is the one with the difficult personality.  If other players always put their 16 into their prime stat, and always take the most mechanically effective feat, but they don't mind that you play unoptimized characters because you like the RP, and it still really bothers you...then, yeah, you're the proud owner of the difficult personality at the table.</blockquote>