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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9692173" data-attributes="member: 18">Sure, but that's ahistorical. Munchkin and the like were terms still in use in that era, and absolutely no-one old enough to remember 3.5E CharOp is under the illusion that optimization or optimizer means the same thing as whatever was happening with Pun Pun. So let's not start revising history Stalin-style, eh?At best using optimizer as a pejorative meaning a specific and very extreme group is an incompetent and failing attempt at communication. At worst it's intentional trolling. After this thread, I'd tend to see it as the latter because people can't pretend they don't know or that they think everyone uses that way.I agree that it's "generally understood" one way - but that doesn't stop it being misused and misapplied intentionally and unintentionally surprisingly often. Even "kids today" are misusing it, in part because of bad examples set by our generation(s)! Like, on one of the RPG subreddits some months ago I saw someone slapping the term "rules-lawyer" around to mean anyone who even wanted to discuss what the rules actually were (I forget for which game, possibly Mothership). I don't think this was malicious, I think from the poster's posts in general, it was that they were about seventeen and had seen this term slung around so liberally that they didn't grasp the "generally understood" meaning and thought your were socially supposed to abuse/demean people who tried to discuss rules specifics as "rules lawyers".</blockquote>

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