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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 9692210" data-attributes="member: 2205">I'm sorry, but of course it is. If I don't like optimizers because they mess up the game (vs my expectations and hopes for the game, anyway) then of course I'm going to decry them. Why wouldn't I? I don't like the way they play, I don't prioritize the things that they enjoy, or even enjoy those things at all myself, and they mess up the game for me if they can't keep their instincts in check. There isn't any real difference from the perspective of someone who doesn't value character optimization between an optimizer and a munchkin. From our point of view that's pedantic nitpicking, so that you can avoid a label that you see as pejorative. Especially, as seems to often be the case for whatever reason, that optimizers assume that the way that they like to play is the only correct way to play and anyone who doesn't optimize is "wrong." There's enough shades of that already even in a skim reading of this thread.Look, I recognize that different people enjoy different things, but the whole point of a group activity is that everyone has to get enough of what they want out of the experience, or they don't want to do it anymore. With the exception of creeps and weirdos, who I don't play with anyway, optimizers are the most likely to make my gaming experience worse. If they're socially well-adjusted, it's not a problem, because we can work together to make the game successful for both of us. But if they're not, they're like one of the plagues Moses called down on Egypt. Either optimizers need to only play with other optimizers, or they need to tone down their rhetoric about gamers who don't care about the same things that they care about in the game.</blockquote>

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