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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9692232" data-attributes="member: 18">What?So there's no difference between someone who makes a completely rules-legal and non-broken character, and someone who is intentionally trying to break the game and make the entire game about them?Seriously?This directly contradicts your previous point. And also, more to the point, almost no-one who isn't &quot;socially well-adjusted&quot; is fun to play with, are they? Roleplayers who aren't &quot;socially well-adjusted&quot; can be hellish to play with. Optimization has nothing to do with that.I think your real issue is &quot;no-one wants to play with people who constantly talk smack about other people's characters&quot; whether that's coming from an RP place, or optimization place, or somewhere else entirely, which yeah, I agree!I don't think anyone where is defending &quot;certain bad behaviour&quot; though, that's entire issue isn't it?On the precise contrary, people are annoyed that normal, common, non-bad behaviour (arguably beneficial behaviour, even) is being labelled as &quot;bad&quot;. I'll always fight back against that when I see it, whether it's something like people engaging in homophobia (often via occluded/masked ways like &quot;omg kids can't see drag queens!&quot;) or something pettier like people trying to make out building characters in a competent way and understanding mechanics wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9692232, member: 18"] What? So there's no difference between someone who makes a completely rules-legal and non-broken character, and someone who is intentionally trying to break the game and make the entire game about them? Seriously? This directly contradicts your previous point. And also, more to the point, almost no-one who isn't "socially well-adjusted" is fun to play with, are they? Roleplayers who aren't "socially well-adjusted" can be hellish to play with. Optimization has nothing to do with that. I think your real issue is "no-one wants to play with people who constantly talk smack about other people's characters" whether that's coming from an RP place, or optimization place, or somewhere else entirely, which yeah, I agree! I don't think anyone where is defending "certain bad behaviour" though, that's entire issue isn't it? On the precise contrary, people are annoyed that normal, common, non-bad behaviour (arguably beneficial behaviour, even) is being labelled as "bad". I'll always fight back against that when I see it, whether it's something like people engaging in homophobia (often via occluded/masked ways like "omg kids can't see drag queens!") or something pettier like people trying to make out building characters in a competent way and understanding mechanics wrong. [/QUOTE]

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