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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9692307" data-attributes="member: 18">LOL you're proving my point, and disproving his. Incredible.That you don't get it stems directly from you thinking (as illustrated above) that you are the one who gets to define "bad behaviour", and that you can define behaviour that isn't harming others as "bad". That's a you problem, not a me problem.Yeah, and I agree that's messed up, because that actually is disruptive and harmful. I've seen it happen - hell people have done it to me, even when I've already got a pretty optimized PC! But I haven't seen it be common at all. That's not to say it isn't where you are, obviously.I'm not deflecting anything - and I don't think we do mean something different re: "socially well-adjusted". I think it's a bit of a dodge to suggest we do.As for "somewhat apocryphal", I mean, do you not see how that's a very funny thing for you to say? That's my point - experiences differ. You have stated that you think something that's common and many people have seen is "apocryphal" (lol), and there are various possible reasons for that - the most likely is, it's just something you haven't personally experience a problem with, because in whatever country or area of a country you live in, or with the age-group you played with, the bigger problem has been with annoying optimizers.The difference is, I don't think all roleplayers are inherently bad people because some cause a problem, whereas you are saying all optimizers (which is, to be clear, the vast majority of people who play RPGs, if we use your "spectrum") are inherently bad people. Also, I can accept that you may have had more trouble with annoying optimizers, but you feel the need to claim (laughably) that we're making up stories about "Its what my character would do".</blockquote>

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