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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9693322" data-attributes="member: 87792">I don't know. But you and numerous others seem to be mounting a massive defence here of the bad behaviour of insulting people with a different playstyle to yourself. What does it say about you and those who use optimisation as an insult?And when people who don't know each other meet the single easiest benchmark for getting on the same page is light to medium &quot;naive&quot; optimisation. The actual people committing anti-social behaviour are those asking normal people to read their minds as to what arbitrary level of optimisation that isn't written in any rulebook that they consider acceptable.Also &quot;Roll-playing not roleplaying&quot; was White Wolf making excuses for poor game design; part of the skill of game design is to have a game that's robust enough to be pushed And &quot;rules lawyers&quot; are also something that comes up as a consequence of poor game design. Good game design makes social problems appearing less not more likely and I haven't seen anyone try to rules lawyer since the 3.X days, largely because the games aren't collapsing under their own weight and are generally better written.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9693322, member: 87792"] I don't know. But you and numerous others seem to be mounting a massive defence here of the bad behaviour of insulting people with a different playstyle to yourself. What does it say about you and those who use optimisation as an insult? And when people who don't know each other meet [I]the single easiest benchmark for getting on the same page is light to medium "naive" optimisation[/I]. The actual people committing anti-social behaviour are those asking normal people to read their minds as to what arbitrary level of optimisation that isn't written in any rulebook that they consider acceptable. Also "Roll-playing not roleplaying" was White Wolf making excuses for poor game design; part of the skill of game design is to have a game that's robust enough to be pushed And "rules lawyers" are also something that comes up as a consequence of poor game design. Good game design makes social problems appearing less not more likely and I haven't seen anyone try to rules lawyer since the 3.X days, largely because the games aren't collapsing under their own weight and are generally better written. [/QUOTE]

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