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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9693818" data-attributes="member: 87792">In about 25 years of roleplaying I have never seen anyone try to play anything in the +5 Pun-Pun range unless that's the point.Well yes. In most tabletop roleplaying games from D&D to Call of Cthulhu I am playing someone fighting for survival in a world with the darkest power. If I am not trying to optimise my in character choices (including equipment and spell selection) it means I am not taking the premise of the game seriously.This doesn't mean that characters have to be "abstractly optimised". Characters are not responsible for their own stats or aptitudes (and sorcerers or warlocks may not be responsible for their own spells).I'm not surprised that when you tell people to stop roleplaying in a roleplaying game and to take the situation less seriously when it is supposed to be a matter of life and death for the character you get a bad reaction. "Tone it down a little" does not give anything remotely actionable. All you are saying is "I don't like the way you play so do it less, including less roleplaying." What do you expect people to do when you make such an unspecific whine about them and claim it's their fault?On the other hand when the request is clear and actionable I've seldom seen a bad result. "Suggestion is a broken spell so let's nerf it" is something that has been universally agreed at the table where I'm currently a player. None of the three optimisers at the table have a problem with this and I've never seen a problem arise with equivalent requests.</blockquote>

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