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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Retros_x" data-source="post: 9695403" data-attributes="member: 7033171">Thats also utter nonsense. As I said in that other thread, I consider myself a power gamer and optimizer. Never was I told I disrupt things. I also don't enjoy easier games more, the opposite is the case. Give me hard  battles and challenges, so my build and my creative use of the game systems can get tested. Also what do you mean with disrupt? Disrupt means in my world you prevent a process or system from working as planned - And you say a player being good at the game will always do that? I and many other players like to be good in the game, like to learn the system, like to build efficient characters who are good at what they are doing. We also like roleplay and a good story and in the parties I play I rarely am the one who hogs the spotlight or somehow "disrupt things" what ever ominous evil deed you mean by that. Maybe its because I am a DM too, but IME lots of optimizers are enjoyable players to have at the table. You might have had a bad experience or even multiple ones, but inducting from your experience that it is the general rule that optimizers disrupt things is a fallacy.</blockquote>