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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9695614" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I just about never find this to be the case.&nbsp; Put the optimizer in any game except an easy game and they won't have fun.A big part of optimization for a lot of players is the spotlight and the fandom.&nbsp; They want to do some amazing game mechanisms in front of an audience.&nbsp; They want all the praise and high fives.&nbsp; It is all about them.This can only happen in an easy game with an appropriate DM.&nbsp;&nbsp; After all there is nothing about optimization that makes a person a better player in any way.&nbsp; They just have a character with a trick or two.&nbsp; Give the player anything that can't be solved by their optimized game mechanics and they will most often be stumped.Easy example:The Buddy DM has all 12 goblins run towards the character.&nbsp; The oprimized character just blasts them all with an optimized Fireball and the player dances around the table.Even just an Average DM (rare now-a-days) will have the goblins attacking from four sides in groups of three.&nbsp; So the optimizare can only blast one group.&nbsp; What does the player do?&nbsp; Blast one group and then get attacked by the other nine goblins.&nbsp; I have seen this happen many times.....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9695614, member: 6684958"] I just about never find this to be the case. Put the optimizer in any game except an easy game and they won't have fun. A big part of optimization for a lot of players is the spotlight and the fandom. They want to do some amazing game mechanisms in front of an audience. They want all the praise and high fives. It is all about them. This can only happen in an easy game with an appropriate DM. After all there is nothing about optimization that makes a person a better player in any way. They just have a character with a trick or two. Give the player anything that can't be solved by their optimized game mechanics and they will most often be stumped. Easy example: The Buddy DM has all 12 goblins run towards the character. The oprimized character just blasts them all with an optimized Fireball and the player dances around the table. Even just an Average DM (rare now-a-days) will have the goblins attacking from four sides in groups of three. So the optimizare can only blast one group. What does the player do? Blast one group and then get attacked by the other nine goblins. I have seen this happen many times..... [/QUOTE]

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