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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9696624" data-attributes="member: 6684958">As I said, the bulk of the jerk optimizers what to be a super star in the game.&nbsp; And they can only do that in an easy game.&nbsp; Again, please note there is nothing wrong with having and running an easy game.&nbsp; If it is your idea of fun it is fine.&nbsp; It is rare to see well rounded characters, even with optimizers.&nbsp; Most optimizers fall into the optimization trap is always wanting more, so even if they have a DC 30 effect...they still want that ability/feat/item that gives them a +2 more.&nbsp; And you so see this with damage.It is simple enough:An Optimizer only cares about playing the pure mechanical game, it's the whole game to them.&nbsp; When you put a lot of time and effort into a mechanical character, the last thing you want to do is sit back and just role play...the 'acting' type of role play where you do nothing but talk.And easy way to tell is just suggest to the players &quot;hey lets level the books and sheets here and go out on the deck and just pure role play&quot;.....and what the Optimizer object, whine and complain.Sure it is Anecdotal, but then so is anything anyone says too....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9696624, member: 6684958"] As I said, the bulk of the jerk optimizers what to be a super star in the game. And they can only do that in an easy game. Again, please note there is nothing wrong with having and running an easy game. If it is your idea of fun it is fine. It is rare to see well rounded characters, even with optimizers. Most optimizers fall into the optimization trap is always wanting more, so even if they have a DC 30 effect...they still want that ability/feat/item that gives them a +2 more. And you so see this with damage. It is simple enough: An Optimizer only cares about playing the pure mechanical game, it's the whole game to them. When you put a lot of time and effort into a mechanical character, the last thing you want to do is sit back and just role play...the 'acting' type of role play where you do nothing but talk. And easy way to tell is just suggest to the players "hey lets level the books and sheets here and go out on the deck and just pure role play".....and what the Optimizer object, whine and complain. Sure it is Anecdotal, but then so is anything anyone says too.... [/QUOTE]

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