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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9696821" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Opinions aren't points, mate. You haven't pointed that out, you've expressed that opinion. Which is fine but different.</p><p></p><p>And I strongly disagree with your opinion, because it seems like shallow Californian-style "peace and love" to me rather than anything practical. It's important to recognise bad behaviour as bad behaviour, and you take a position where you don't even try and figure out why it's happening, you're doomed to a cycle of it continuing to happen, because you can't take reasonable preventative measures or attempt solutions.</p><p></p><p>The reality is, virtually all humans go through a period of childishness and emotional immaturity - usually as children and sometimes up into their 20s. Very occasionally it last longer or indefinitely (especially in people who have been wealthy since their 20s).</p><p></p><p>And people going through this are the main source of munchkins and "jerk optimizers" or however you want to name them. You can pretend this is some terrible condemnation, but we've all been immature, so that rings extremely false. It's about recognising and dealing with this. It's not about writing a list of "bad people" or w/e to "punish them", as seems to be your underlying concern, but until you understand how something works, you can't do anything meaningful about it, can you? It's hard to even avoid it!</p><p></p><p>Also "denigrating their behaviour" is bad when the behaviour we're discussing is "actively destroying the fun of others"? That is pretty next-level lol. What next, a guy squats and poops on your living room floor whilst making eye-contact and smirking at you, and you're like "Well, I'm sure he had his reasons, which I cannot fathom, who am I to judge him or consider why he did it!", rather than thinking "Perhaps there is a way to identify potential floor-poppers and intervene with them before they poop on my floor?"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9696821, member: 18"] Opinions aren't points, mate. You haven't pointed that out, you've expressed that opinion. Which is fine but different. And I strongly disagree with your opinion, because it seems like shallow Californian-style "peace and love" to me rather than anything practical. It's important to recognise bad behaviour as bad behaviour, and you take a position where you don't even try and figure out why it's happening, you're doomed to a cycle of it continuing to happen, because you can't take reasonable preventative measures or attempt solutions. The reality is, virtually all humans go through a period of childishness and emotional immaturity - usually as children and sometimes up into their 20s. Very occasionally it last longer or indefinitely (especially in people who have been wealthy since their 20s). And people going through this are the main source of munchkins and "jerk optimizers" or however you want to name them. You can pretend this is some terrible condemnation, but we've all been immature, so that rings extremely false. It's about recognising and dealing with this. It's not about writing a list of "bad people" or w/e to "punish them", as seems to be your underlying concern, but until you understand how something works, you can't do anything meaningful about it, can you? It's hard to even avoid it! Also "denigrating their behaviour" is bad when the behaviour we're discussing is "actively destroying the fun of others"? That is pretty next-level lol. What next, a guy squats and poops on your living room floor whilst making eye-contact and smirking at you, and you're like "Well, I'm sure he had his reasons, which I cannot fathom, who am I to judge him or consider why he did it!", rather than thinking "Perhaps there is a way to identify potential floor-poppers and intervene with them before they poop on my floor?"? [/QUOTE]
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