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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7630498" data-attributes="member: 6966824">As for combat ability, at level 7 the warlock can cast 6 hypnotic patterns per day, vs the wizard's 5, the sorcerer's 5 (well, if they burn sorcery points for an extra slot) and the bard's 4. But I agree, that extra one 3rd level casting probably isn't worth not having the 1st and 2nd level slots (though as I noted, they can get some of those 1st and 2nd level things at will through invocations). The warlock can alternatively cast 6 banishments per day vs the wizard's 2, the sorcerer's all-out 2, and bards who aren't lore bards can't cast it at all. Depending on the campaign, that really might be a big deal. Level 9, same deal, but with hold monster. Level 11 they get 9 5th level slots per day.They clearly get more and better at will options than the other arcane casters, and have more top slot casts, but not as good a spell list, and not as many slots overall. I wouldn't call them the best arcane caster by any means, but I don't see them as being made obsolete by those other classes either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7630498, member: 6966824"] As for combat ability, at level 7 the warlock can cast 6 hypnotic patterns per day, vs the wizard's 5, the sorcerer's 5 (well, if they burn sorcery points for an extra slot) and the bard's 4. But I agree, that extra one 3rd level casting probably isn't worth not having the 1st and 2nd level slots (though as I noted, they can get some of those 1st and 2nd level things at will through invocations). The warlock can alternatively cast 6 banishments per day vs the wizard's 2, the sorcerer's all-out 2, and bards who aren't lore bards can't cast it at all. Depending on the campaign, that really might be a big deal. Level 9, same deal, but with hold monster. Level 11 they get 9 5th level slots per day. They clearly get more and better at will options than the other arcane casters, and have more top slot casts, but not as good a spell list, and not as many slots overall. I wouldn't call them the best arcane caster by any means, but I don't see them as being made obsolete by those other classes either. [/QUOTE]

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