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<blockquote data-quote="Grogg of the North" data-source="post: 6057161" data-attributes="member: 6682960">Optimization isn't necessarily bad.&nbsp; We all do it to some degree.&nbsp; I have yet to see a fighter with 6 strength and 4 con*.&nbsp; Most of the complaints about optimization come from the following:1)&nbsp; When one player is optimizing more than the rest of the group.&nbsp; It can lead to frustrating situations where you have one player running around with iddqd and everyone else feeling useless.&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; When a player insists that you optimize a certain way.&nbsp; I am playing a barbarian that took leap attack.&nbsp; But because I didn't go for headless charge, valorous weapons, and a bunch of other weird stuff I took a lot of flak from one of the other players because I was playing my character &quot;wrong&quot;.3)&nbsp; When the optimization is all that the player cares about.&nbsp; Like [MENTION=1861]Loonook[/MENTION] said, just because you're awesome at killing undead that doesn't give you the right to sulk or leave the session early if the you find yourself in a cave filled with orcs.&nbsp; If you've optimized to the point that your character's personalities are interchangeable that's another problem.&nbsp; (I don't think I expressed my thoughts well on this point.&nbsp; Hopefully I'll be able to come back and edit it later!) *I'm sure somewhere out there has one.&nbsp; And I'm not saying that playing one is bad.&nbsp; Just that I haven't seen it done personally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grogg of the North, post: 6057161, member: 6682960"] Optimization isn't necessarily bad. We all do it to some degree. I have yet to see a fighter with 6 strength and 4 con*. Most of the complaints about optimization come from the following: 1) When one player is optimizing more than the rest of the group. It can lead to frustrating situations where you have one player running around with iddqd and everyone else feeling useless. 2) When a player insists that you optimize a certain way. I am playing a barbarian that took leap attack. But because I didn't go for headless charge, valorous weapons, and a bunch of other weird stuff I took a lot of flak from one of the other players because I was playing [B]my[/B] character "wrong". 3) When the optimization is all that the player cares about. Like [MENTION=1861]Loonook[/MENTION] said, just because you're awesome at killing undead that doesn't give you the right to sulk or leave the session early if the you find yourself in a cave filled with orcs. If you've optimized to the point that your character's personalities are interchangeable that's another problem. (I don't think I expressed my thoughts well on this point. Hopefully I'll be able to come back and edit it later!) *I'm sure somewhere out there has one. And I'm not saying that playing one is bad. Just that I haven't seen it done personally. [/QUOTE]

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