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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6057220" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>It wasn't an innocent oversight, the thing was actaully hardcoded into the system, every single ranged rogue power was "crossbow or sling", fixing it takes more than just a line of errata. And yes it eventually was fixed for elves and half-elves only, but for the rest of the characters it was completely unresolved. Want to be an archer rogue? only elves and half elves bother to apply. How is that stereotype subversion?. And that is only the tip of the iceberg, archer fighters? archer paladins? out of luck. swashbuckling paladin? (possible in 3e from core) no, friend to all living things that refuse to kill or contribute to killing?. Minstrel that gets do do something with a lute all the way through his career? Berseking Rangers? Mind controlling sorcerers? Dual wielding monks?</p><p></p><p>Warlords are though to respresent under 3.5 and before, because they weren't integrated into the system, they have no precedents beyond the Marshal, yes 4e does them better than any previous edition could, (thugh I made a 2nd edition priest once who was very, very lazy). But beyond that making a point for you, it makes a point for me, if it isn't a sanctioned and officially approved don't expect to be able to paly it without a serious amount of reflavoring and system mastery.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6057220, member: 6689464"] It wasn't an innocent oversight, the thing was actaully hardcoded into the system, every single ranged rogue power was "crossbow or sling", fixing it takes more than just a line of errata. And yes it eventually was fixed for elves and half-elves only, but for the rest of the characters it was completely unresolved. Want to be an archer rogue? only elves and half elves bother to apply. How is that stereotype subversion?. And that is only the tip of the iceberg, archer fighters? archer paladins? out of luck. swashbuckling paladin? (possible in 3e from core) no, friend to all living things that refuse to kill or contribute to killing?. Minstrel that gets do do something with a lute all the way through his career? Berseking Rangers? Mind controlling sorcerers? Dual wielding monks? Warlords are though to respresent under 3.5 and before, because they weren't integrated into the system, they have no precedents beyond the Marshal, yes 4e does them better than any previous edition could, (thugh I made a 2nd edition priest once who was very, very lazy). But beyond that making a point for you, it makes a point for me, if it isn't a sanctioned and officially approved don't expect to be able to paly it without a serious amount of reflavoring and system mastery. [/QUOTE]
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