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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 6057267" data-attributes="member: 59506">As a DM, I have no problem with Optimizers.  Even if they don't roleplay a single bit, I still don't have a problem with Optimizers.  In the end, they're playing the game for the same reason as any other player...to Have FUN! As the DM, I have absolute ability to tailor, modifiy, and present the game.  If I can't give the roleplayers what they want, the narrativist gamers what they want, and the optimizers what they also want, then in my opinion I have no business DM'ing. Optimizing might not be the way I would prefer to play, but it doesn't mean I can't provide meaningful and varied encounters to provide Optimizers with enjoyment, while also providing the elements that other gamers prefer. Something as simple as including optimized opponents that only the optimizer can deal with, while the rest of the group deals with encounters in their narrativist or roleplaying manners, solves the problem for most situations. If for some reason, the group does something unexpected and a non-optimized character ends up going against my optimized NPC...so what.  I have the option of letting it play itself out, or the option of de-emphasizing some numbers on the fly or through roleplaying tactical mistakes on the part of my NPC.  Nobody "knows" the NPC is Optimized except me. Now if the player who is playing the Optimized character starts making the game unfun for the other players...like trying to dominate all the action, denigrating other players for their lack of optimization, etc...then I have a problem with a Player, not with an Optimizer.  I can deal with problem players also.  I remind them that the game is meant to be fun for everyone.  If the player has any level of maturity, that's usually all that's required.  If they still can't modify their bahavior, then they'll no longer be welcome at our table.  But that has nothing to do with whether they are an Optimizer or not, and everything to do with them being an immature person. Again, no problem. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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