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<blockquote data-quote="taliesin15" data-source="post: 4430710" data-attributes="member: 22058">roguerogue's suggestion of picking enchantment (no pun intended) and illusion spells is a pretty good one...as a DM I've seen one Bard PC use Illusion spells in conjunction with one of his Bard songs--pretty effective I would imagine for low to mid level encounterswhich brings up another topic--I've never run a high level bard, DM'd one (except for NPC Bards), and I'm curious if people have any thoughts on optimizing Bards for higher levels...it doesn't seem to me that high lvl Bards are going to have much luck in enthralling high level monsters and NPCs (they would usually make their saving throws), so I'm curious on people's thoughts on tactics for running them in higher levelsone thing that comes to mind personally is that many higher level campaigns involve the recovery and/or destruction of a Relic of some sort--I could see where the Bard Knowledge of a higher level Bard could help that...along with Legend Lore of course......another thing is that Bards probably know more people in the world due to their skills and general design (the most social of all the classes)...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="taliesin15, post: 4430710, member: 22058"] roguerogue's suggestion of picking enchantment (no pun intended) and illusion spells is a pretty good one...as a DM I've seen one Bard PC use Illusion spells in conjunction with one of his Bard songs--pretty effective I would imagine for low to mid level encounters which brings up another topic--I've never run a high level bard, DM'd one (except for NPC Bards), and I'm curious if people have any thoughts on optimizing Bards for higher levels...it doesn't seem to me that high lvl Bards are going to have much luck in enthralling high level monsters and NPCs (they would usually make their saving throws), so I'm curious on people's thoughts on tactics for running them in higher levels one thing that comes to mind personally is that many higher level campaigns involve the recovery and/or destruction of a Relic of some sort--I could see where the Bard Knowledge of a higher level Bard could help that...along with Legend Lore of course... ...another thing is that Bards probably know more people in the world due to their skills and general design (the most social of all the classes)... [/QUOTE]

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