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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5693341" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>Danny: I didn't, I reiterated some of them. But I don't think it makes sense to compare a wizard or psion multiclass to an Assassin, Monk, or Rogue one -- they're just too different and serve different purposes.</p><p></p><p>Re Dex -- it wouldn't cost him much to get a 13 dex, actually, if he rebuilt from scratch rather than waiting until Paragon. With his current approach (a 32 point character) it means taking a -1 to Int for that +3 to Dex -- and he gets DIS and an init bonus as well; even scaled down to a 22 point character he'd basically be losing 1/2+ in Int (drop Int to pre-Racial 15) and the extra point for that 13. Not necessarily a good choice, but very much a viable choice with some good benefits (particularly the damage from DIS; getting to splash a striker multi would be gravy). In epic, with a Dex of 15, it also lets him get Arcane Reach and Nimble Blade, I'm hardly a warlock player, but I'll note that browsing the warlock charop handbook, every single recommended array (except for the con/cha "Mr. Versatile") took at least a 12 in Dex).</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying he should go with an Assassin multiclass. But actually, putting at least two points into Dex will probably do more good than where they are right now, and he does need to think about if and when he takes a multiclass feat, whether he's taking it in order to get better paragon options, to be able to get access to healing (artificer), versatility (wizard, psion, some of the weapon feats) or damage (striker, mostly). I don't know how easily one can do it with that array, but there's also something to be said for multiclassing to a divine class if you can, actually -- as the ability to wield a holy symbol is great (and combines excellently with my below suggestion of Eldritch Strike) plus there are feats that let you get extra bennies for being multiclassed into divine (particularly getting to treat your curse damage and Eldritch Blast damage as Radiant when you want; gogogo Student of Caiphon).</p><p></p><p>Also, I'll note that it's always worth considering taking Eldritch Strike instead of Eldritch Blast if it's an option in the campaign. Fundamentally, Eldritch Blast is weak power -- it's basically a magical longbow with no further bonus to it, so unless you're going to invest a lot into making it better, you're usually as good for an at-will ranged atatck with your pact power. But Eldritch Strike grants you a fantastic melee basic attack with one of the best riders in the game, giving you the flexiblity to tank for a bit (and charge, for that sweet +1 to hit and the ability to take advantage of charge optimization) while still giving you the option to stand back and use ranged attacks using your pact at-will (which if you're star pact, is a fine, fine spell).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5693341, member: 59248"] Danny: I didn't, I reiterated some of them. But I don't think it makes sense to compare a wizard or psion multiclass to an Assassin, Monk, or Rogue one -- they're just too different and serve different purposes. Re Dex -- it wouldn't cost him much to get a 13 dex, actually, if he rebuilt from scratch rather than waiting until Paragon. With his current approach (a 32 point character) it means taking a -1 to Int for that +3 to Dex -- and he gets DIS and an init bonus as well; even scaled down to a 22 point character he'd basically be losing 1/2+ in Int (drop Int to pre-Racial 15) and the extra point for that 13. Not necessarily a good choice, but very much a viable choice with some good benefits (particularly the damage from DIS; getting to splash a striker multi would be gravy). In epic, with a Dex of 15, it also lets him get Arcane Reach and Nimble Blade, I'm hardly a warlock player, but I'll note that browsing the warlock charop handbook, every single recommended array (except for the con/cha "Mr. Versatile") took at least a 12 in Dex). I'm not saying he should go with an Assassin multiclass. But actually, putting at least two points into Dex will probably do more good than where they are right now, and he does need to think about if and when he takes a multiclass feat, whether he's taking it in order to get better paragon options, to be able to get access to healing (artificer), versatility (wizard, psion, some of the weapon feats) or damage (striker, mostly). I don't know how easily one can do it with that array, but there's also something to be said for multiclassing to a divine class if you can, actually -- as the ability to wield a holy symbol is great (and combines excellently with my below suggestion of Eldritch Strike) plus there are feats that let you get extra bennies for being multiclassed into divine (particularly getting to treat your curse damage and Eldritch Blast damage as Radiant when you want; gogogo Student of Caiphon). Also, I'll note that it's always worth considering taking Eldritch Strike instead of Eldritch Blast if it's an option in the campaign. Fundamentally, Eldritch Blast is weak power -- it's basically a magical longbow with no further bonus to it, so unless you're going to invest a lot into making it better, you're usually as good for an at-will ranged atatck with your pact power. But Eldritch Strike grants you a fantastic melee basic attack with one of the best riders in the game, giving you the flexiblity to tank for a bit (and charge, for that sweet +1 to hit and the ability to take advantage of charge optimization) while still giving you the option to stand back and use ranged attacks using your pact at-will (which if you're star pact, is a fine, fine spell). [/QUOTE]
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