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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hardhead" data-source="post: 732549" data-attributes="member: 2844">Hm, I think some of you are misunderstanding me.I didn't say Restrictions, not options.  I said I wanted both.  In fact, I agree with most of you on what you said.?Are we talking about the same Savage Species?  I love Savage Species, in concept.  I'm on record in the Savage Species thread as "giving it two big ol' tumbs up."  I said I don't like Outsider advancement, as it was handled, and I agree with what I think is the majority in saying the Half-Ogre should be ECL 2.  But overall, those are minor quibbles in the grand scheme of the book.  Hell, I want to play a Minotaur as my next PC.  The options in Savage Species are great.  However, I think there should also be more restrictions, for example the Half-Ogre should be ECL 2.  I think the H/Ogre is the result of that "power creep" that's been mentioned.  Invariably, I see people saying how the H/Ogre isn't "that bad" compared to the Orc, an ECL 0 race.  But then, I think back about how people used to say the Orc wasn't "that bad," compared to the H/Orc.  The Orc was already on the raggad edge of ECL 0, so if you make another race a bit more powerful by comparison, you get one that's much more powerful than a basic race.Oh, and as far as the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook, I give it four stars.  It's really nice, and I think the writer deserves a raise.  The editor, assuming their was one, needs to be either fired, or given less work (I think the problem is the editing department was slashed during the layoffs).Anyway.I never said it did, of course.I never said it was!I think that's not the case in some cases.  I've seen a hojillion mathmatical analysis and build comparisons both here and on the WotC boards showing that H/Ogres have a higher damage output than a human (or half-orc) of one level higher.  I've seen none that show the opposite.  I'm not saying the whole book is unbalanced, just that parts of it are: something not uncommon in many books today.As several others noted, there's been a "d20 power creep."  SS isn't any worse or better than others, IMO.  It was just a book I pulled off the top of my head.I think several others thought that was what I was talking about too.  I'm not in favor of those restricitons.  I'm in favor of restrictions to balance the options, like stricter entry requirements for really powerful PrCs, or higher ECLs for really powerful races.  I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do something, I'm saying you should have to pay a price to do it, though.I think, as D&D has become more CRPG-ish (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), people do this much less.  I've found a lot of groups just allow whatever.  Instead of asking the DM if they can do X, they assume they can do X unless the DM says otherwise.  If everything was balances, this'd be OK. But as it is, a lot of DMs don't like to turn down stuff players ask for, especially turning them down repeatedly (which they'll have to do if they player keeps wanting to take something on the high end of the power scale/published more recenlty).  And a lot of DMs assume that if WotC published it, it must be balanced...- Z a c h</blockquote>

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