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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8057931" data-attributes="member: 6801845">No game works for everyone, some games are going to work better for some people than others.  I think 4E was a fine game in some ways, but I think it lost something from previous editions that was brought back in 5E.  As far as 5E's popularity, it's the single most popular TTRPG ever.  Could it be more popular?  Sure.  Anything is possible.  I just don't think making it more like an edition that for the first time ever lost it's rank as the #1 TTRPG* would have been the way to go.As far as quality and popularity ... it's a game.  The goal of a publisher is to attract the most players possible.  So while it's complicated, I do think quality and popularity are  closely aligned. The playtests may have been dominated by a different demographic, but the public at large have voted with their wallets by making 5E far more popular than 4E is still growing years after it's introduction.But that's all I want to get into edition wars.  I get that you like 4E, I just disagree with saying that 5E would be better if they had made the same mistakes they made with the version of the game that came close to being the swan song for D&D as a brand.*Yes, I know this was after 5E was announced, but the fact that PathFinder was even within striking distance before 5E was announced was a strong indication of issues.</blockquote>